Average age of group members
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1. File Transfer Without Modems; was: Re: TS 2068 and Business?
Adam Trionfo · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:08:
Senen Racki, on Wed 1/09/08 at 6:56 AM, wrote:
>>
We were able to transfer programs across the telephone line without the use of the Timex modem (300 baud) and at full tape speed (2400bps).
>>
I find that SO cool. Were modems hard to obtain at the time, or was it just "something to do?" Then again, if you were a kid it probably wasn't the MODEM that was hard to get, but the MONEY.
>>
my sister and parents didn't appreciate the use of the phone for that purpose!
>>
I've already mentioned that I didn't use BBSs back in the 1980's. This wasn't through choice. A friend in about 1987 even gave me a used 300 BAUD modem for my C64, but my parents wouldn't let me use it. They thought it would "break" the phone line if I used it wrong.
Adam
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2. RE: [ts2068] File Transfer Without Modems; was: Re: TS 2068 and Business?
Bill Loguidice · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 11:19:
It's funny that you mention that about your parents thinking using a modem
would break the phone line. Mine thought the same too. Eventually I did
get to use a modem (with BBS's), but not until I had a Commodore Amiga if I
remember correctly. If anything happened with the phone, I was terrified!
(it was usually something stupid like something being off the hook or
whatever, but that idea was implanted in my head) I also remember that my
friends and I had read something about having to tell the phone company that
you were using a modem for some reason or another (perhaps to see if they
could put you on a better switch or something - I don't remember), but when
my friend called, they had no idea what the hell he was talking about. Lots
of misinformation back then and a bit trepedation about a relatively scary
technological idea. Today of course we think nothing of anything like that,
but it is funny how back then things were much different (and much more
costly!).
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Adam Trionfo
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:08 AM
To: TS 2068 Yahoogroup
Subject: [ts2068] File Transfer Without Modems; was: Re: TS 2068 and
Business?
>>
I've already mentioned that I didn't use BBSs back in the 1980's. This
wasn't through choice. A friend in about 1987 even gave me a used 300 BAUD
modem for my C64, but my parents wouldn't let me use it. They thought it
would "break" the phone line if I used it wrong.
Adam
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3. Re: [ts2068] File Transfer Without Modems; was: Re: TS 2068 and Business?
Senen Racki · Wed, 09 Jan 2008 11:28
> We were able to transfer programs across the telephone line without
the use of
> the Timex modem (300 baud) and at full tape speed (2400bps).
>>I find that SO cool. Were modems hard to obtain at the time, or was
it just
>>"something to do?" Then again, if you were a kid it probably wasn't
the MODEM
>>that was hard to get, but the MONEY.
We both had 2040 modems. It was the speed and curiousity that prompted such
experimentation. We guessed that even with the limited frequency
response of
the telephone line we should be able to do it, so we went on to actually
try.
Besides that, my 2040 modem was in pieces as I tried to stuff a video
capture
board in it. I never did get that project done, but I still have everything
needed to complete it (I think). There was a rather large user group in
the
Toronto area, so information and resources were quite readily available
at the
time.
> my sister and parents didn't appreciate the use of the phone for that
purpose!
>
>>I've already mentioned that I didn't use BBSs back in the 1980's.
This wasn't
>>through choice. A friend in about 1987 even gave me a used 300 BAUD
modem for
>>my C64, but my parents wouldn't let me use it. They thought it would
"break"
>>the phone line if I used it wrong.
That's funny!
Senen.
4. Average age of group members
M. Emrah Oral · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:34:
Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was born in 1975.
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5. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Peter Lakatos · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:39:
I was born in 1971 (in Hungary, Europe).
Peter Lakatos
On Jan 9, 2008 5:34 PM, M. Emrah Oral <[email]> wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this
> group? I was born in 1975.
>
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6. RE: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Bill Loguidice · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:05:
1972. 35. My first videogame system was my parent's Sear Pong in the late
70's, followed by my own purchase of an Atari 2600 around age 7 or 8 (around
third grade I think). Shortly after that my parents got me a Commodore Vic
20, which was replaced by the time I was in the sixth grade with a C-64. I
used money both given and earned with a short-lived paper route to save up
for a 1541 disk drive for it. After that came other systems, like a
ColecoVision, Commodore Amiga 500, Magnavox 386-SX20 DOS/GeoWorks PC, Coleco
Adam, etc. I was pretty much into collecting very early on starting in the
mid-80's, but I didn't thin of it as such...
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Emrah Oral
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:35 AM
To: [email]
Subject: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this
group? I was born in 1975.
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7. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Paul Anderson · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:24:
Hi,
I was born in 1959. I am amazed at the discussions on this group. I really enjoy it.
I bought a ZX-81 while I was in college. I fell for the cheap price. When it arrived, my roommates and I hooked it up. Yep, it was cool. However, we all immediately noticed the limitations of the keyboard and capabilities. For me, though, I was hooked. The thinking that went into the keywords and the compactness of it. Of course, I subsequently bought TS1000s for my brothers for Christmas. They had all the normal reactions. Yep, now they are in closets or given away. Hey, what do you want for $10. That's what I paid for them. The store was obviously trying to dump their stock. I took them up on their offer. :o)
I would like to learn how to do more assebler programming.
This is great!!
Let's keep the chatter going.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Emrah Oral
To: [email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:34 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was born in 1975.
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8. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Bill Dunlop · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:30:
--- "M. Emrah Oral" <[email]> wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was
> born in 1975.
You kids are making me feel like an antique!
I was born in 1943 in Los Angeles CA.,USA
and my first computer was in 1983, a ZX81 with a 16K RAMpack.
9. [OT] Phone Company Hijinks
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:03
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 11:19 -0500, Bill Loguidice wrote:
> It's funny that you mention that about your
> parents thinking using a modem would break the
> phone line.
Mine did... but that was because I fried something
when I miswired my room hook up :)
> Mine thought the same too.
> Eventually I did get to use a modem (with BBS's),
> but not until I had a Commodore Amiga if I remember
> correctly. If anything happened with the phone, I
> was terrified!) (it was usually something stupid
> like something being off the hook or whatever, but
> that idea was implanted in my head)
Yeah, my dad would automatically assume I had been
"up to something" if anything went on... even when
it was storming nearby!
> I also remember that my friends and I had read
> something about having to tell the phone company that
> you were using a modem for some reason or another
> (perhaps to see if they could put you on a better
> switch or something - I don't remember), but when
> my friend called, they had no idea what the hell he
> was talking about.
It depended on the central office and customer line
loops (gee not much changes there, when it comes to
DSL, eh?) Usually, you had to call the phone co and
tell them you had a modem so they could clean the
local loop up to enable it to handle the signal cleanly
enough for the modems to work reliably. Every attempt
to force people to register their modems failed when
challenged. It was merely "suggested" you let your
central office know, so they could at least check for
ringer equivalence problems.
If you ran a BBS, the phone co first tried to bill you
as a business line for EVERY modem line. That got
challenged in court, resulting in the determination
that 4 lines or less could be a hobby BBS, but anything
more than that was required to be billed as a business.
That was here in Texas, it may have varied in other parts
of the world.
> Lots of misinformation back then and a bit
> trepedation about a relatively scary technological idea.
The Carterphone story illustrates both sides of this.
AT&T claimed that ONLY AT&T could decide what could
attach to their network. Heck, they even tried to stop
phone book covers?!?
That sort of intimidation effect created a lasting
perception.
Eventually, it was the FCC which regulated what could
and could not be attached, especially after the Bell
breakup.The Carterphone decision led to that.
I remember my first push-to-connect 300bps modem would
seriously overdrive the carrier signal, compared to
FCC numbers and modern standards.
> Today of course we think nothing of anything
> like that, but it is funny how back then things
> were much different (and much more costly!).
If I dig hard enough, I can probably find my paperwork
that I had to file with the Federal Gov't and NSF for
my first domain name. To request a domain name on
ArpaNet/InterNet you had to file a petition, explaining
what your domain's purpose was, and verifying all
sorts of contact information and responsible parties
in the event your domain did "nefarious things."
--
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey
"They're unfriendly, which is fortunate, really.
They'd be difficult to like."
-- Avon
10. [OT] Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:22
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 08:34 -0800, M. Emrah Oral wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, what is the average
> age of the members of this group?
> I was born in 1975.
I was born August 1971.
I got my first microcomputer (a Tandy) about 1981
because I was getting bored with the Atari 2600.
I remember it was a birthday present, but exactly
which, I am not sure... just before I had a C64, so
it had to be before 1982.
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11. RE: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:27
On Wed, 2008-01-09 at 12:05 -0500, Bill Loguidice wrote:
> 1972. 35. My first videogame system was my
> parent's Sear Pong in the late 70's
Oh man, that brings back some memories.
Like the sliders getting full of gunk a lot
from everyone playing it like fiends while
eating cheetos. And of course, the parents
and their friends spilling beer on them and
breaking them. Such a horrible game... but
so addicting. I got in SO MUCH trouble when
I took ours apart to see how it worked. Thanks
for the reminder on that.
>
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12. Re: Average age of group members
Glen Goodwin · Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:22
DOB 3-24-1955
M. Emrah Oral wrote:
> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was born in 1975.
>
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13. Re: [ts2068] Re: Average age of group members
jboatno4 · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:46:
I've been suckin' wind since 1947
On Wed, January 9, 2008 1:22 pm, Glen Goodwin wrote:
> DOB 3-24-1955
>
>
> M. Emrah Oral wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this
>> group? I was born in 1975.
>>
>>
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14. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Timex · Thu, 10 Jan 2008 00:05
I was born in 1975 in Évora, Portugal.
MY first computer was in 1986/1987, a Timex Computer 2048 with a
Neptun green composite monitor (my father didn't want me to use the
TV). I still own my TC2048 in working condition and my Neptun monitor
but it's broken down. My TC2048 keyboard template and some keys wear
off and I got it fixed. It look like new! I still own my old keys and
the template but it is completely ruined because it was glued to the
top case.
Je
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Bill Dunlop wrote:
>
>
> --- "M. Emrah Oral" <[email]> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of
>> this group? I was
>> born in 1975.
>
>
> You kids are making me feel like an antique!
>
> I was born in 1943 in Los Angeles CA.,USA
> and my first computer was in 1983, a ZX81 with a 16K RAMpack.
15. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
M. Emrah Oral · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:13:
My parents bought my first computer back in 1986 too. It was a ZX Spectrum +2. I was 11. I fell in love with that computer. Two years later my parents bought me a +3, then in 1989 an Amiga 500. In 1994 I bought a used Amiga 1200, in 1998, my first PC (PentiumII 300Mhz) , and in 2003 my second (and current) P4 PC.
"Johnny Red (Timex)" <[email]> wrote: I was born in 1975 in Évora, Portugal.
MY first computer was in 1986/1987, a Timex Computer 2048 with a
Neptun green composite monitor (my father didn't want me to use the
TV). I still own my TC2048 in working condition and my Neptun monitor
but it's broken down. My TC2048 keyboard template and some keys wear
off and I got it fixed. It look like new! I still own my old keys and
the template but it is completely ruined because it was glued to the
top case.
Je
On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Bill Dunlop wrote:
>
>
> --- "M. Emrah Oral" <[email]> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of
>> this group? I was
>> born in 1975.
>
>
> You kids are making me feel like an antique!
>
> I was born in 1943 in Los Angeles CA.,USA
> and my first computer was in 1983, a ZX81 with a 16K RAMpack.
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16. Re: [ts2068] Re: Average age of group members
Mark Scheck · Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:48:
I was born in 1970. First used the Pet in 79-80
Software pirate in 83 on Apple IIE ;-)
--- [email] wrote:
> I've been suckin' wind since 1947
>
>
> On Wed, January 9, 2008 1:22 pm, Glen Goodwin wrote:
> > DOB 3-24-1955
> >
> >
> > M. Emrah Oral wrote:
> >
> >> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age
> of the members of this
> >> group? I was born in 1975.
> >>
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17. John Oliger information
Glen Goodwin · Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:51
As promised, here's John's address:
John Oliger
11601 Whidbey Dr.
Cumberland IN 46229
As of two years ago he still had all of the pre-assembled
boards for sale which are needed to make a drive system.
In addition, you'll need a drive, power supply for the drive,
and floppy drive cable.
Glen
18. DivIDE and CP/M on 2068
M. Emrah Oral · Thu, 10 Jan 2008 09:16
It would be so cool, if the awesome DivIDE+ could read from/write to SD cards. I think DivIDE holds the potential to be a great data storage/exchange system for all zx spectrums, Timex Sinclairs, and other ZX Spectrum clones with a compatible expansion port. I wonder if CP/M could reside on the DivIDE internal RAM and run on a TS-2068 in hi-res mode at 64 or 80 chars/line format.
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19. Re: Average age of group members
zxbruno · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 03:02
--- In [email], "M. Emrah Oral" <oralm2@...> wrote:
>
> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of
this group? I was born in 1975.
>
31 here. Born in Setubal, Portugal, 1976. Currently living near Los
Angeles.
20. Re: [ts2068] DivIDE and CP/M on 2068
Timex · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:57
For TS2068 run CP/M it had to have more than 64K RAM. 128K ZX
Spectrum can run CP/M (but I think that only +3 can).
As I have written before, Timex FDD (16K RAM if not upgraded) and
FDD3000 (64K RAM) are computers. When we use CP/M with FDD3000, it
runs on FDD3000, not the Timex computer. The Timex computer only acts
as a terminal. We can use CP/M on the FDD3000 without the computer at
all! Just connect the Timex Terminal 3000 to the controller cable and
turn everything on.
So to CP/M run with DivIDE+, the Timex computer used must have at
least 64K RAM or CP/M must run inside DivIDE (it is not a computer
so, impossible).
Just to clarify, the Timex Terminal 3000 is like a cutdown Timex
computer with a almost complete keyboard with better keys. It have a
Z80, ROM, RAM and the SCLD to generate video signal. ROM contains the
Terminal emulator and interface initialization.
Je
On Jan 10, 2008, at 5:16 PM, M. Emrah Oral wrote:
> It would be so cool, if the awesome DivIDE+ could read from/write
> to SD cards. I think DivIDE holds the potential to be a great data
> storage/exchange system for all zx spectrums, Timex Sinclairs, and
> other ZX Spectrum clones with a compatible expansion port. I wonder
> if CP/M could reside on the DivIDE internal RAM and run on a
> TS-2068 in hi-res mode at 64 or 80 chars/line format.
>
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21. Re: DivIDE and CP/M on 2068
Jarek Adamski · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:32
Hello!
--- In [email], "M. Emrah Oral" <oralm2@...> wrote:
> It would be so cool, if the awesome DivIDE+ could read from/write
> to SD cards.
Perhaps next version. ;)
> I wonder if CP/M could reside on the DivIDE internal RAM and run
> on a TS-2068 in hi-res mode at 64 or 80 chars/line format.
No, extra RAM is needed to shadow the screen area. Two solutions
are possible:
1. ZX Spectrum 128K with screen in bank 7 (bank 5 used for code).
2. 16kB+ Dock RAM in TS2068 used for code (screen in Home).
I'm going to release CPM22QED for DivIDE+ soon, but first must
deal the IECATA and some outstanding orders. :(
Jarek Adamski
22. Re: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Ralph E. Dodd · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:34
1947
I put together a ZX81 kit in 1982. I paid $100 for the computer & $100 for the 16K ram pack. 2 weeks later the computer price went down to $75 and the ram pack was $50. That was the first time that I got bit with computer price driops.
Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: M. Emrah Oral
To: [email]
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 11:34 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Average age of group members
Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was born in 1975.
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23. Computer Kits; was: RE: Average age of group members
Adam Trionfo · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:58
M. Emrah Oral, on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 at 11:34 AM, wrote:
>>
I put together a ZX81 kit in 1982. I paid $100 for the compute
>>
Now the kits are $200:
http://www.zebrasystems.com/zebrasystems/zx81/index.html
I was tossing around the idea of buying these in September when the kits were $100. Then I checked sometime in October and they had doubled in price.
>>
Two weeks later the computer price went down to $75 and the ram pack was $50. That was the
first time that I got bit with computer price drops.
>>
... and it probably has never stopped since.
Adam
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24. RE: [ts2068] Computer Kits; was: RE: Average age of group members
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:16
You're probably already aware of it, but I'd recommend the low cost kits for
the Apple I and Kim-1 reproductions here:
http://www.brielcomputers.com/index.html before dropping the money on a
ZX81, original or not.
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> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 6:59 PM
> To: [email]
> Subject: [ts2068] Computer Kits; was: RE: Average age of group members
>
>
> M. Emrah Oral, on Wednesday, January 09, 2008 at 11:34 AM, wrote:
> >>
> I put together a ZX81 kit in 1982. I paid $100 for the compute
> >>
>
> Now the kits are $200:
>
> http://www.zebrasystems.com/zebrasystems/zx81/index.html
>
> I was tossing around the idea of buying these in September when the
> kits were $100. Then I checked sometime in October and they had
> doubled in price.
>
> >>
> Two weeks later the computer price went down to $75 and the ram pack
> was $50. That was the
> first time that I got bit with computer price drops.
> >>
>
> ... and it probably has never stopped since.
>
> Adam
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25. Re: Computer Kits; was: RE: Average age of group members
Tony · Sat, 12 Jan 2008 09:48
Not as a kit yet, but over on comp.os.cpm we just came up with a small z80
board that could be done at home, or sent out to a board house for about 30
bucks a board, today. All the parts are available from jameco or similar.
I ran across the schematic and had another guy on there with protel do the
PCB. The search was born out of not having time to complete my z80 project.
This board has parallel/serial/ram/rom/cpu so its complete and useable as it
sits.
Never heard of the kim-1 repro, looks interesting since I never got a kim
when they first came out ( im an old guy :) ) as I was a intel type of
person back then.
On 1/12/08 8:41 AM, "[email]" <[email]> wrote:
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> 5a. Computer Kits; was: RE: Average age of group membersfl
> Posted by: "Adam Trionfo" [email] atrionfo
> Date: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:15 pm ((PST))
*snip*
>
> So, is there a REAL Z80 single-board computer in production (that one could
> just order right now)?
>
> Adam
26. RE: [ts2068] Re: Average age of group members
Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Thu, 31 Jan 2008 17:19
12-31-1974
Lus Alberto D'Ardis.
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> From: [email]
> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 16:22:37 -0500
> Subject: [ts2068] Re: Average age of group members
>
>
> DOB 3-24-1955
>
> M. Emrah Oral wrote:
>> Just out of curiousity, what is the average age of the members of this group? I was born in 1975.
>>
>>
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