How active are TS2068 users?
33 messages · 2017-03-27 → 2017-05-20 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org
Participants: Bill Loguidice, sarossell, Adam Trionfo, jdiffendaffer, Oscar Arthur Koepke, Scott A. Rossell, Don Dindang, zxspectrum128, hagstrom, Koepke Koepke, Al Hartman, Eduardo Fuentes, Luis Alberto D'Ardis, jburrell7, Marvio Botticelli, alhartman6, zsj6ypzgmju4t66kaop56ps2vhxljla55ka42khr
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1. How active are TS2068 users?
zxspectrum128 · 27 Mar 2017 16:16:16 +
I'm only asking because the worldwide Sinclair community in general is still very active. ZX80, ZX81, TS1000, TS1500 and Lambda users are very active in www.sinclairzxworld.com http://www.sinclairzxworld.com and Spectrum users are very active in www.worldofspectrum.org/forums http://www.worldofspectrum.org/forums and also in www.speccy.org http://www.speccy.org (Spanish), but the activity in the Yahoo group appears to be very slow these days. Is it possible most TS2068 users just moved on and left their hobby behind? Or maybe the active users prefer the forums I mentioned, and/or groups that have been appearing in social media sites in the past few years?
2. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Oscar Arthur Koepke · Tue, 28 Mar 2017 00:09
I am alive and using it....
Oscar
From: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:51 PM
Subject: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
I'm only asking because the worldwide Sinclair community in general is still very active. ZX80, ZX81, TS1000, TS1500 and Lambda users are very active in www.sinclairzxworld.com and Spectrum users are very active in www.worldofspectrum.org/forums and also in www.speccy.org (Spanish), but the activity in the Yahoo group appears to be very slow these days. Is it possible most TS2068 users just moved on and left their hobby behind? Or maybe the active users prefer the forums I mentioned, and/or groups that have been appearing in social media sites in the past few years? #yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828 -- #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp #yiv2570853828hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp #yiv2570853828ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp .yiv2570853828ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp .yiv2570853828ad p {margin:0;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-mkp .yiv2570853828ad a {color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-sponsor #yiv2570853828ygrp-lc {font-family:Arial;}#yiv2570853828 #yiv2570853828ygrp-sponsor #yiv2570853828ygrp-lc #yiv2570853828hd {margin:10px 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3. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
hagstrom · 28 Mar 2017 01:22:39 +
I'm lurking here, hoping to get around to starting to use mine. I'm hoping to put together a Spectrum emulator cartridge, but I have only gotten as far as getting a ts2068cart kit to assemble. I hope to have comments and questions in the future, but I'm happily just lurking on the essentially no-traffic group for now.
I'm assuming that once I assemble the ts2068cart I should be able to just burn an EPROM with the emulator ROM on it, though I have yet to source the ROM. I assume if I set my mind to it I can find that image somewhere, though if someone knows off the top of their head where a good place to find it is, I'll happily accept advice. But I'm still a couple of months away at least from progressing on this project.
4. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Adam Trionfo · Tue, 28 Mar 2017 15:23
hagstrom wrote:
>>
I'm hoping to put together a Spectrum emulator cartridge, but I have only gotten as far as getting a ts2068cart kit to assemble.
>>
The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of the computer in this way?
Adam
5. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Koepke Koepke · Tue, 28 Mar 2017 17:23
Hi Bruno.
I am Here in the group and many others, in Brazil I also use the yahoogroup tk90x, clubedotk, tkcp.
In facebook the Clubedotk,TBBlue, Spectrum 4Ever, TS2068(not very activity also), Sinclair Computres Collection, ZX Spectrum Next...
I already got my TBBlue( pre ZX Spectrum Next) yesterday together with the Multicore(also a group in fb called Multicore, but in portuguese; I thik fb has translation..) both from Victor Trucco!
Regards,Oscar
De: "Oscar Arthur Koepke [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
Para: "[email]" <[email]>
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 27 de Março de 2017 21:20
Assunto: Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
I am alive and using it....
Oscar
From: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:51 PM
Subject: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
I'm only asking because the worldwide Sinclair community in general is still very active. ZX80, ZX81, TS1000, TS1500 and Lambda users are very active in www.sinclairzxworld.com and Spectrum users are very active in www.worldofspectrum.org/forums and also in www.speccy.org (Spanish), but the activity in the Yahoo group appears to be very slow these days. Is it possible most TS2068 users just moved on and left their hobby behind? Or maybe the active users prefer the forums I mentioned, and/or groups that have been appearing in social media sites in the past few years?
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6. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Al Hartman · Tue, 28 Mar 2017 18:28
I would have to say that this is the result of NTSC vs PAL television standards. If I ever find my NTSC Spectrum, I'll try to compare them, like to like.
-[ Al ]-
On 3/28/2017 4:57:21 PM, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
hagstrom wrote:
>>
I'm hoping to put together a Spectrum emulator cartridge, but I have only gotten as far as getting a ts2068cart kit to assemble.
>>
The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of the computer in this way?
Adam
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7. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Eduardo Fuentes · Fri, 31 Mar 2017 23:48
Hi Bruno,I'm here, waiting.... as many others
Waiting what? Waiting for anybody with news or questions about it.
De: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: Lunes, 27 de marzo, 2017 16:51:46
Asunto: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
I'm only asking because the worldwide Sinclair community in general is still very active. ZX80, ZX81, TS1000, TS1500 and Lambda users are very active in www.sinclairzxworld.com and Spectrum users are very active in www.worldofspectrum.org/forums and also in www.speccy.org (Spanish), but the activity in the Yahoo group appears to be very slow these days. Is it possible most TS2068 users just moved on and left their hobby behind? 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8. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Fri, 5 May 2017 15:21:
Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
hi i'm alive... lol
El 28/03/17 a las 12:23, Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] escribió:
hagstrom wrote:
>>
I'm hoping to put together a Spectrum emulator cartridge, but I have only gotten as far as getting a ts2068cart kit to assemble.
>>
The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of the computer in this way?
Adam
9. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 5 May 2017 14:58:
The better question might be why didn't they make it nearly 100% compatible
from the start and just have the enhanced features be an extension. This
way they could import/localize as much software as they wanted to have a
huge headstart with their libraries, and, with their relatively limited
resources, create enhanced/premium software that took advantage of the
extra features.
Certainly there were no real restrictions with compatibility between the
UK/US ZX80/81/Sinclair 1000/1500 lines, so it's odd that that philosophy
would suddenly change (and in a somewhat haphazard manner).
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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Luis Alberto D'Ardis [email]
[ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's
> color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be
> different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the
> colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of
> the computer in this way?
>
> Adam
>
>
10. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Oscar Arthur Koepke · Fri, 5 May 2017 19:04:
blockquote, div.yahoo_quoted { margin-left: 0 !important; border-left:1px #715FFA solid !important; padding-left:1ex !important; background-color:white !important; } I am too... and going afete the ZX Spectrum Next... it has all ts2068 vídeo modes!!
Regards,Oscar
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Em sexta-feira, maio 5, 2017, 15:49, Luis Alberto D'Ardis [email] [ts2068] <[email]> escreveu:
Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
hi i'm alive... lol
El 28/03/17 a las 12:23, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] escribió:
hagstrom wrote:
>>
I'm hoping to put together a Spectrum emulator cartridge, but I have only gotten as far as getting a ts2068cart kit to assemble.
>>
The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of the computer in this way?
Adam
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11. Why Not Nearly 100% Compatible; was: Re: How active are TS2068 users?
Adam Trionfo · Sat, 6 May 2017 00:04:
Bill Loguidice wrote:
>>
The better question might be why didn't they make it nearly 100% compatible from the start and just have the enhanced features be an extension.
>>
I understand where you're coming from here, Bill... but I don't think making the T/S 2068 completely compatibly with the Spectrum (and using the 2068's extended abilities sort of as bonus extras) would have worked either. Here's my reasoning:
My first computer was the Commodore 64. A year or two later, when the Commodore 128 came out, I upgraded to that system, which seems to have done everything that you think may have worked for the T/S 2068. The C128 was backward compatible with many BASIC programs, and for those programs that it wasn't compatible with, it offered a nearly-100% compatible Commodore 64 mode. Type: GO 64 and, like a magic trick, you were using, for all intent and purposes, a Commodore 64. However, before long, I never typed in GO 64, instead opting to hold the Commodore key down when I turned the system on, which also put the system into C64 mode at startup. The C128 never caught on with publishers and so I was "stuck" using mostly Commodore 64 games program. This wasn't so bad, as the Commodore 64 computer was still among the most popular home computers in the U.S. at the time.
There are probably many reasons why the C128 native mode never caught on. Surely there is no direct correlation between it and the T/S 2068 and the Spectrum, but I can't help but think that if Timex had decided to take this Spectrum compatible out-of-the-box route, it wouldn't have helped all that much. Is there some way that the Timex computer systems could have caught on and become more popular? Maybe, but I'm not sure what could have been done. Surely the fact that the 2068 was mostly a tape driven system-- which worked (against all reasonable thinking) very well in England until the late 1980s/early 1990-- didn't help the system out in the U.S. market at all. Maybe there really is nothing that could have created a world in which am American Spectrum would have thrived. The more I learn about the Spectum's history in England and other countries where it sold very well, the more it also seems like a fluke that the system caught on and prospered.
That said, I'm happy I have a Timex/Sinclair 2068. I don't use it often, but when I do, I enjoy the time I spend with it.
Adam
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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Luis Alberto D'Ardis [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of the computer in this way?
Adam
12. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 5 May 2017 21:44:
Yes, despite having most Spectrums and plenty of TS2068's in my collection,
I too had put in for the ZX Spectrum Next. It appears to be the ultimate
backwards compatible system that doesn't eschew modern advances and
conveniences. It almost seems too good to be true, but nevertheless seems
to be positioned to ultimately deliver. I'm hoping other platforms can
follow in this ones footsteps (there are actually a few other platforms in
the works from others that appear to offer a similar experience, like one
for the MSX platform).
-Bill
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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Oscar Arthur Koepke [email]
[ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> I am too... and going afete the ZX Spectrum Next... it has all ts2068
> vídeo modes!!
>
> Regards,
> Oscar
>
>
> Enviado do Yahoo Mail para iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0>
>
13. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 5 May 2017 21:44:
Yes, despite having most Spectrums and plenty of TS2068's in my collection,
I too had put in for the ZX Spectrum Next. It appears to be the ultimate
backwards compatible system that doesn't eschew modern advances and
conveniences. It almost seems too good to be true, but nevertheless seems
to be positioned to ultimately deliver. I'm hoping other platforms can
follow in this ones footsteps (there are actually a few other platforms in
the works from others that appear to offer a similar experience, like one
for the MSX platform).
-Bill
========================================================
Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc.
<http://www.armchairarcade.com>
========================================================
Authored Books
<http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Loguidice/e/B001U7W3YS/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1> and
Film <http://www.armchairarcade.com/film>; About me and other ways to get
in touch <http://about.me/billloguidice>
========================================================
On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Oscar Arthur Koepke [email]
[ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> I am too... and going afete the ZX Spectrum Next... it has all ts2068
> vídeo modes!!
>
> Regards,
> Oscar
>
>
> Enviado do Yahoo Mail para iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0>
>
14. Re: [ts2068] Why Not Nearly 100% Compatible; was: Re: How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 5 May 2017 22:03:
I agree that nothing likely would have helped the TS2068 catch
on--certainly bringing audio-visually modest 48K ZX Spectrum games to
battle against the likes of the Commodore 64, Atari 8-bit, and other
popular American computers of the time was not it. I was speaking from a
more practical standpoint without the benefit of our 20/20 hindsight (where
we know once the C-64 hit the $200 or less price point, nothing else on the
low end stood a chance). If you're going to attempt to go to battle with an
8-bit computer by the time the TS2068 actually released, you really needed
a solid software library, as well as accessories and add-ons. All I was
really saying was that Timex could have made their lives easier by having
their system have near total compatibility with all that was and was going
to be produced for the ZX Spectrum. While it's true that that would have
opened up the floodgates for importers, for the average consumer, Timex
would have still been the gatekeeper. As it was, there was an extra level
of effort to convert stuff for use on the 2068. I just think Timex should
have continued their policy from their previous systems, and just rebrand
everything and be the US/North American face of Sinclair.
I also agree that the tape drive thing would have been a serious liability
had Timex had all their ducks in a row and able to keep the 2068 alive for
another year or two. It's doubtful that the ROM cartridges would have been
a cost-effective alternative.
As for the C-128, it actually was among the highest selling computers (it
just paled - like every other system - to the C-64's gaudy numbers) and it
had a good range of native productivity software. It was indeed held back -
particularly in terms of native games - with its C-64 backwards
compatibility, but it's doubtful that without that backwards compatibility
it would have sold nearly as much as it did, creating something of a
catch-22. Certainly the C-16-Plus/4 series was yet more proof that trying
to launch an 8-bit computer line that could only run software yet to be
created was probably not going to work out. In many ways, it's easier to
argue that the C-128 succeeded like it did because of its legacy baggage,
not in spite of it.
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On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 8:04 PM, Adam Trionfo [email]
[ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Bill Loguidice wrote:
>
> >>
> The better question might be why didn't they make it nearly 100%
> compatible from the start and just have the enhanced features be an
> extension.
> >>
>
> I understand where you're coming from here, Bill... but I don't think
> making the T/S 2068 completely compatibly with the Spectrum (and using the
> 2068's extended abilities sort of as bonus extras) would have worked
> either. Here's my reasoning:
>
> My first computer was the Commodore 64. A year or two later, when the
> Commodore 128 came out, I upgraded to that system, which seems to have done
> everything that you think may have worked for the T/S 2068. The C128 was
> backward compatible with many BASIC programs, and for those programs that
> it wasn't compatible with, it offered a nearly-100% compatible Commodore 64
> mode. Type: GO 64 and, like a magic trick, you were using, for all intent
> and purposes, a Commodore 64. However, before long, I never typed in GO
> 64, instead opting to hold the Commodore key down when I turned the system
> on, which also put the system into C64 mode at startup. The C128 never
> caught on with publishers and so I was "stuck" using mostly Commodore 64
> games program. This wasn't so bad, as the Commodore 64 computer was still
> among the most popular home computers in the U.S. at the time.
>
> There are probably many reasons why the C128 native mode never caught on.
> Surely there is no direct correlation between it and the T/S 2068 and the
> Spectrum, but I can't help but think that if Timex had decided to take this
> Spectrum compatible out-of-the-box route, it wouldn't have helped all that
> much. Is there some way that the Timex computer systems could have caught
> on and become more popular? Maybe, but I'm not sure what could have been
> done. Surely the fact that the 2068 was mostly a tape driven system--
> which worked (against all reasonable thinking) very well in England until
> the late 1980s/early 1990-- didn't help the system out in the U.S. market
> at all. Maybe there really is nothing that could have created a world in
> which am American Spectrum would have thrived. The more I learn about the
> Spectum's history in England and other countries where it sold very well,
> the more it also seems like a fluke that the system caught on and prospered.
>
> That said, I'm happy I have a Timex/Sinclair 2068. I don't use it often,
> but when I do, I enjoy the time I spend with it.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Luis Alberto D'Ardis
> [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> The weird thing about the Spectrum "emulation" cart is that the 2068's
>> color are slightly different, so the palette as seen on a TS2068 will be
>> different than it looks on a Spectrum. I think that black is one of the
>> colors affected here. Can anyone explain why Timex changed their release of
>> the computer in this way?
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>
>
15. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
jburrell7 · 17 May 2017 19:11:33 +
I bought my first 2068 from a friend in the mid or maybe 80's because the price was right and I had just about worn out my ZX81 (bought while I was stationed in the UK). Most of my 2068 programs were for technical stuff and it worked pretty well for that. I occasionally mess about with an emulator I wrote for my FPGA development board, but the sad fact is that there is very little software available for the 2068 and not much interest in it any more.
IMO, the 2068 hit the market at the wrong time at the wrong price point and with the wrong development strategy. The dominance of the C64 and Apple II lines set a pretty high bar for entry. What had not been learned by many, including Timex, was that new hardware without at least one killer application was doomed to fail. I suppose that is why the 2068 was not compatible with the Spectrum - Timex simply did not understand that a new, shiny object would not sell unless there was a compelling reason.
Two other reasons it probably did not sell well were because of the *&#W@ chicklet keyboard and the furdlen' BASIC keyword entry. The chicklet keyboard screamed and felt "cheap", especially when just about every other contemporary US home computer had a real keyboard - and it made touch typing both figuratively and literally painful. The keyword entry system - despite Sinclair/Timex putting lipstick on that pig and calling it a "feechur" - was very slow and required memorising arcane keystroke sequences to just get your program entered. The keyboard looked more like a demented short story than a data entry device. I am sure this scared many people away with its visual clutter and complexity. And this is from someone who really liked the machine.
If the 2068 was to have any niche, it would have been as a games machine, and there just was not a sufficient library available for it - especially given the Spectrum incompatibility. From what I know, a second ROM and a switch would have allowed direct booting using a licensed Spectrum ROM and given access to the vast majority of Spectrum games while still allowing 2068 advanced modes. While this would probably not have been sufficient, but it would have given the 2068 a better chance.
I have decided to move on and only look in, from time-to-time to see how the scene is going. I have ordered a Spectrum Next and will be writing a 2068 core for it, but my 2068 will stay in its box as a fond memory of days gone by.
16. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
sarossell · 17 May 2017 21:11:39 +
I can't say I agree entirely. Sure, the incompatibility with the existing, robust Spectrum software market was a serious mistake, but the keyboard was actually based on a very current Olivetti design and was a huge money-saver. The Commodore 64 and Vic-20 keyboards were no treat either. The keys were too steeply angled and way too high off the desk.
As for the "complex" and "cluttered" printed commands on the 2068 keyboard, I found it amazingly inviting (still do). All you had to do was simply look at the keyboard and the commands screamed out to be used. Sadly, some of the commands were never implemented for the daisy chain and storage options. Timex couldn't even get the joysticks right with those awkward ball sticks.
Also, I believe today's programming laguages could learn a thing or two from Sinclair BASIC. Since the operating system required proper entry of commands before allowing the programmer to enter a line of code, it immediately mitigated most bugs. If you had a problem witth your code, you at least new the commands had been entered correctly, leaving only your own logic or variable typos to run down.
My current language of choice is Xojo for the Mac. It's like Visual BASIC with all of it's object-oriented functionality and language based on original BASIC commands, but without all the .NET aggravation. Compiling for Xojo is also a dream for cross-platform development. Just check a box and you can compile the same source for Mac, PC, Linux and even Raspberry Pi. You can even program for iOS.
Now if only Xojo had command syntax checking like Sinclair BASIC...
I still keep my old ZX81 on display almost solely for the keyboard. Now THAT was a horrible keyboard with that membrane design. But again, the commands were there for all to see just what that little "doorstop" could do for less than a $100 U.S.
:@)
17. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
jdiffendaffer · 18 May 2017 02:46:40 +
Timex could take two approaches with the hardware, a direct copy, or push the design ahead to be more competitive. They chose the latter. Why wouldn't they make the same choice with the software? The system timing isn't the same between the two machines anyway, so it's not going to run the software exactly the same even if it were compatible,
If the machine had been a success, it would have justified the minor changes required to port Spectrum software to it. They could even move some games to carts which are harder to pirate than tapes, and eliminate options like the Kempston Joystick interface that aren't needed.
Ultimately, all it takes for more backwards compatibility is a cart anyway. The cart can disable and replace the built in ROM.
---In [email], <bill@...> wrote :
The better question might be why didn't they make it nearly 100% compatible from the start and just have the enhanced features be an extension. This way they could import/localize as much software as they wanted to have a huge headstart with their libraries, and, with their relatively limited resources, create enhanced/premium software that took advantage of the extra features.
Certainly there were no real restrictions with compatibility between the UK/US ZX80/81/Sinclair 1000/1500 lines, so it's odd that that philosophy would suddenly change (and in a somewhat haphazard manner).
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18. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
jdiffendaffer · 18 May 2017 03:12:27 +
By the time the 2068 came along, the first machines that had chicklet keyboards had already moved on.to better keyboards. Chicklet keyboards received horrible reviews in buyer's guides, and they are just too hard to type on. Plus, I don't care for the feel of the 2068 keyboard even among chicklet keyboards. It's just not a good feel to type fast. You have to type slower and deliberately.
The backspace, <, and > keys are all missing. Putting BREAK next to the shift key?
The keyword entry is one of the reasons I rarely use any Timex or Sinclair computer. I can type out keywords faster than finding every key combination. . The US market wasn't used to it, and it frustrates the heck out of me.
On top of that, the high return rate of the TS-1000, and general hatred of that machine left people with a bad taste in their mouth for anything Timex. I know some of you have fond memories of those machines, but it's not what most people wanted. I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought it was a ripoff. Like I've said before, I found those at garage sales within 2 years with $10 or less price tags.
---In [email], <jburrell7@...> wrote :
...
IMO, the 2068 hit the market at the wrong time at the wrong price point and with the wrong development strategy. The dominance of the C64 and Apple II lines set a pretty high bar for entry. What had not been learned by many, including Timex, was that new hardware without at least one killer application was doomed to fail. I suppose that is why the 2068 was not compatible with the Spectrum - Timex simply did not understand that a new, shiny object would not sell unless there was a compelling reason.
Two other reasons it probably did not sell well were because of the *&#W@ chicklet keyboard and the furdlen' BASIC keyword entry. The chicklet keyboard screamed and felt "cheap", especially when just about every other contemporary US home computer had a real keyboard - and it made touch typing both figuratively and literally painful. The keyword entry system - despite Sinclair/Timex putting lipstick on that pig and calling it a "feechur" - was very slow and required memorising arcane keystroke sequences to just get your program entered. The keyboard looked more like a demented short story than a data entry device. I am sure this scared many people away with its visual clutter and complexity. And this is from someone who really liked the machine.
...
19. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
jdiffendaffer · 18 May 2017 03:36:28 +
Any decent touch typist would be brought to their knees by the keyboard and keyword entry system. Nothing you can say will fix that. It's okay if you are a little kid that can't type, but to someone that types 60 - 80 words per minute it's pure torture.
No amount of nostalgia would make me like that keyboard. I even replaced the keyboard on my CoCo 1 when I was still in high school because I wanted something better to type on.
---In [email], <sarossell@...> wrote :
I can't say I agree entirely. Sure, the incompatibility with the existing, robust Spectrum software market was a serious mistake, but the keyboard was actually based on a very current Olivetti design and was a huge money-saver. The Commodore 64 and Vic-20 keyboards were no treat either. The keys were too steeply angled and way too high off the desk.
As for the "complex" and "cluttered" printed commands on the 2068 keyboard, I found it amazingly inviting (still do). All you had to do was simply look at the keyboard and the commands screamed out to be used. Sadly, some of the commands were never implemented for the daisy chain and storage options. Timex couldn't even get the joysticks right with those awkward ball sticks.
...
20. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
sarossell · 18 May 2017 03:45:15 +
I think it all comes down to "good ole" American hubris; Americans like to think they know what's better. I'm born and raised American - Dallas, Texas. And we Americans just love to tell the world they're doing it wrong. But then of course when we fall flat our face, we just dust ourselves off and act like it never happened. 'Cuz we're the "greatest country in the world!" Huh-boy.
Hey, where'd this soap box come from? Sorry about that.
Regarding the T/S 2068 OS, I was most impressed with a cartridge I had that gave it a whole new OS with 64 column support in monochrome. It was pretty impressive. Shame it didn't have a strong following...or rather have enough time to.
21. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Scott A. Rossell · Thu, 18 May 2017 00:14
Ah, yes, you’re so right about the key placement. Such an odd place for a
Break key.
If Sinclair BASIC had one redeeming value, it was a great learning tool to
learn BASIC. You had to get it right or it wouldn’t allow entry.
But honestly, I see only a slight difference between the depth and stroke
of my MacBook Pro and the T/S keyboard - also an Olivetti design.
On May 17, 2017 at 9:01:20 PM, [email] [ts2068] (
[email]) wrote:
By the time the 2068 came along, the first machines that had chicklet
keyboards had already moved on.to better keyboards. Chicklet keyboards
received horrible reviews in buyer's guides, and they are just too hard to
type on. Plus, I don't care for the feel of the 2068 keyboard even among
chicklet keyboards. It's just not a good feel to type fast. You have to
type slower and deliberately.
The backspace, <, and > keys are all missing. Putting BREAK next to the
shift key?
The keyword entry is one of the reasons I rarely use any Timex or Sinclair
computer. I can type out keywords faster than finding every key
combination. . The US market wasn't used to it, and it frustrates the heck
out of me.
On top of that, the high return rate of the TS-1000, and general hatred of
that machine left people with a bad taste in their mouth for anything
Timex. I know some of you have fond memories of those machines, but it's
not what most people wanted. I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought it
was a ripoff. Like I've said before, I found those at garage sales within
2 years with $10 or less price tags.
---In [email], <jburrell7@...> wrote :
...
IMO, the 2068 hit the market at the wrong time at the wrong price point and
with the wrong development strategy. The dominance of the C64 and Apple II
lines set a pretty high bar for entry. What had not been learned by many,
including Timex, was that new hardware without at least one killer
application was doomed to fail. I suppose that is why the 2068 was not
compatible with the Spectrum - Timex simply did not understand that a new,
shiny object would not sell unless there was a compelling reason.
Two other reasons it probably did not sell well were because of the *&#W@
chicklet keyboard and the furdlen' BASIC keyword entry. The chicklet
keyboard screamed and felt "cheap", especially when just about every other
contemporary US home computer had a real keyboard - and it made touch
typing both figuratively and literally painful. The keyword entry system -
despite Sinclair/Timex putting lipstick on that pig and calling it a
"feechur" - was very slow and required memorising arcane keystroke
sequences to just get your program entered. The keyboard looked more like a
demented short story than a data entry device. I am sure this scared many
people away with its visual clutter and complexity. And this is from
someone who really liked the machine.
...
22. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Scott A. Rossell · Thu, 18 May 2017 00:18
I can’t say I agree entirely again (but that’s okay). I learned to type on
that T/S keyboard and was able to test out of my high school typing class
at 45 words per minute. Granted, I doubt anyone else would care to attempt
that.
I have to wonder with he key command shortcuts if my typing while
programming was much, much more since only one to or three keys were
required per command.
Still, it’s no way for a human being to type. Then again, QWERTY was
designed to prevent the character armatures from jamming on mechanical
typewriters, so…who’s too say what’s right?
On May 17, 2017 at 9:10:44 PM, [email] [ts2068] (
[email]) wrote:
Any decent touch typist would be brought to their knees by the keyboard and
keyword entry system. Nothing you can say will fix that. It's okay if you
are a little kid that can't type, but to someone that types 60 - 80 words
per minute it's pure torture.
No amount of nostalgia would make me like that keyboard. I even replaced
the keyboard on my CoCo 1 when I was still in high school because I wanted
something better to type on.
---In [email], <sarossell@...> wrote :
I can't say I agree entirely. Sure, the incompatibility with the existing,
robust Spectrum software market was a serious mistake, but the keyboard was
actually based on a very current Olivetti design and was a huge
money-saver. The Commodore 64 and Vic-20 keyboards were no treat either.
The keys were too steeply angled and way too high off the desk.
As for the "complex" and "cluttered" printed commands on the 2068 keyboard,
I found it amazingly inviting (still do). All you had to do was simply look
at the keyboard and the commands screamed out to be used. Sadly, some of
the commands were never implemented for the daisy chain and storage
options. Timex couldn't even get the joysticks right with those awkward
ball sticks.
...
23. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Marvio Botticelli · Thu, 18 May 2017 14:32
Funny you should mention that, the first time I saw that style keyboard on MAC's, and of course Apple has to be super snobbish about it, the first thought through my mind was:" Ha! My CoCo 1 had a keyboard a lot like that back in 84!" :)
Seriously
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To: [email]
Subject: Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Ah, yes, you’re so right about the key placement. Such an odd place for a Break key.
If Sinclair BASIC had one redeeming value, it was a great learning tool to learn BASIC. You had to get it right or it wouldn’t allow entry.
But honestly, I see only a slight difference between the depth and stroke of my MacBook Pro and the T/S keyboard - also an Olivetti design.
On May 17, 2017 at 9:01:20 PM, [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] ([email]<mailto:[email]>) wrote:
By the time the 2068 came along, the first machines that had chicklet keyboards had already moved on.to<http://on.to> better keyboards. Chicklet keyboards received horrible reviews in buyer's guides, and they are just too hard to type on. Plus, I don't care for the feel of the 2068 keyboard even among chicklet keyboards. It's just not a good feel to type fast. You have to type slower and deliberately.
The backspace, <, and > keys are all missing. Putting BREAK next to the shift key?
The keyword entry is one of the reasons I rarely use any Timex or Sinclair computer. I can type out keywords faster than finding every key combination. . The US market wasn't used to it, and it frustrates the heck out of me.
On top of that, the high return rate of the TS-1000, and general hatred of that machine left people with a bad taste in their mouth for anything Timex. I know some of you have fond memories of those machines, but it's not what most people wanted. I'm pretty sure a lot of people thought it was a ripoff. Like I've said before, I found those at garage sales within 2 years with $10 or less price tags.
---In [email]<mailto:[email]>, <jburrell7@...> wrote :
...
IMO, the 2068 hit the market at the wrong time at the wrong price point and with the wrong development strategy. The dominance of the C64 and Apple II lines set a pretty high bar for entry. What had not been learned by many, including Timex, was that new hardware without at least one killer application was doomed to fail. I suppose that is why the 2068 was not compatible with the Spectrum - Timex simply did not understand that a new, shiny object would not sell unless there was a compelling reason.
Two other reasons it probably did not sell well were because of the *&#W@ chicklet keyboard and the furdlen' BASIC keyword entry. The chicklet keyboard screamed and felt "cheap", especially when just about every other contemporary US home computer had a real keyboard - and it made touch typing both figuratively and literally painful. The keyword entry system - despite Sinclair/Timex putting lipstick on that pig and calling it a "feechur" - was very slow and required memorising arcane keystroke sequences to just get your program entered. The keyboard looked more like a demented short story than a data entry device. I am sure this scared many people away with its visual clutter and complexity. And this is from someone who really liked the machine.
...
24. The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Adam Trionfo · Thu, 18 May 2017 14:46
jdiffendaffer wrote:
>>
Any decent touch typist would be brought to their knees by the keyboard and keyword entry system. Nothing you can say will fix that.
>>
I've been enjoying reading these most-recent talks about the Timex 2068, especially its keyboard. Despite my lack of experience using the Timex 2068's keyboard, I thought some other users might like to hear my experience.
I didn't grow up with the 2068 system (I had a C64 back in the early 1980s), so using the chiclet now is difficult. A few weeks ago, my friend (who shares the common interest of classic computers and console with me) stopped by my house. We ended up playing quite a few Timex 2068 games. It's nice that the Timex 2068 uses standard Atari controllers (a point goes to Timex for that!). We both grew up typing in BASIC programs from magazines and books on our Commodore computers (he had a C64 as a teenager too).
After we finished playing some our fill of 2068 and Spectrum games, I said something along the lines of, "Hey, let's type in a short BASIC program from the user's manual." We tried, we truly did-- but we had no experience with the keyboard and it was hunt and peck all over again. Not even that-- often we'd hunt and find, and still not understand how to enter the BASIC keyword. My friend gave up and he went outside for a cigarette, but I kept at it. By the time he came back inside, I'd finally managed to type in a couple of lines of BASIC code to make a sound effect. It was tough going, but it was fun. My issue isn't the touch of the keyboard; it feels okay to me even now. My problem with the 2068 is figuring out which mode that you need to be in to type whichever BASIC keyword you want to use. Despite my recent difficultly at typing on the 2068's keyboard, I imagine that if this was my only computer, then it wouldn't be a problem. I would just get used to it and before long typing in a BASIC program would become second-nature to me. Plus, although I never used it, the Timex 2068 shipped with a program on tape that showed you how to use the keyboard; is that program useful?
I recall, as an eleven year old in 1983, that my introduction to the Commodore 64's keyboard wasn't easy either. Not only was typing hard for me (I had only very limited previous typewriter keyboard experience), but just entering code was foreign to me too. Surely, the C64's (and Vic-20's) keyboard are a vast improvement improvement over what the 2068 keyboard offers, but there are other keyboards that are even less satisfactory to use. For instance, the 24-key keypad of the Bally Arcade/Astrocade doesn't charm me when I have used it to enter BASIC programs. I'd much prefer to use the 2068's keyboard over that monster-- yet, I use the Astrocade to this day because I like the system.
Most of today's users never have to type anything on the Timex 2068 keyboard except when we load a program. Are their any 2068 users reading this that still use their 2068 system to type in programs or use their computer for word processing?
Adam
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:36 PM
To: [email]
Subject: Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Any decent touch typist would be brought to their knees by the keyboard and keyword entry system. Nothing you can say will fix that. It's okay if you are a little kid that can't type, but to someone that types 60 - 80 words per minute it's pure torture.
No amount of nostalgia would make me like that keyboard. I even replaced the keyboard on my CoCo 1 when I was still in high school because I wanted something better to type on.
25. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Thu, 18 May 2017 11:58
Well, either way, we know that there was no real scenario where it could
have succeeded. The Commodore 64's combination of price/power was way too
much for it and most other low-end systems to handle, particularly in North
America. The only low end platforms that survived in North America after
the C-64's release, Tandy Coco and Atari 8-bit, both came out before the
C-64 did, and the former likely primarily because of Tandy's retail reach
at the time and ability to keep production costs modest.
-Bill
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On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:46 PM, [email] [ts2068] <
[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Timex could take two approaches with the hardware, a direct copy, or push
> the design ahead to be more competitive. They chose the latter. Why
> wouldn't they make the same choice with the software? The system timing
> isn't the same between the two machines anyway, so it's not going to run
> the software exactly the same even if it were compatible,
>
> If the machine had been a success, it would have justified the minor
> changes required to port Spectrum software to it. They could even move
> some games to carts which are harder to pirate than tapes, and eliminate
> options like the Kempston Joystick interface that aren't needed.
>
> Ultimately, all it takes for more backwards compatibility is a cart
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26. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
sarossell · 18 May 2017 21:32:14 +
True. The poor 2068 was doomed from the start. :@(
27. Re: [ts2068] How active are TS2068 users?
sarossell · 18 May 2017 21:35:23 +
And with the decidedly worse stroke of the new butterfly spring design on the Mac keyboards last year, they felt about the same too. Kind of sad.
28. Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
alhartman6 · 18 May 2017 21:42:27 +
I don't know if it exists for the TS2068, but there is a ROM replacement for the ZX Spectrum that allows you to manually type in keywords. You can see it on Youtube in the video of the tech repairing Spectrums.
-[ Al ]-
29. Re: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 19 May 2017 10:06
I love that idea. While I get the concept of why the keyword thing was
originally implemented on the ZX80 and carried over, it's pretty much a
series-exclusive feature. These days, I'd MUCH rather just type directly,
particularly being a multi-platform user.
-Bill
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On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 5:42 PM, [email] [ts2068] <
[email]> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if it exists for the TS2068, but there is a ROM replacement
> for the ZX Spectrum that allows you to manually type in keywords. You can
> see it on Youtube in the video of the tech repairing Spectrums.
>
> -[ Al ]-
>
> ------------------------------
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>
30. Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
zsj6ypzgmju4t66kaop56ps2vhxljla55ka42khr · 19 May 2017 14:13:01 +
I think that's OpenSE Basic:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sebasic/files/OpenSE%20BASIC/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/sebasic/files/OpenSE%20BASIC/
I have a modern twister made by Don (Superfo) that includes a rom with both the regular basic and this basic, selectable by a jumper. I played with OpenSE a bit but if I recall correctly, it's not compatible with the Interface 1 (or Interface 1bis, in my case).
31. Re: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Don Dindang · Fri, 19 May 2017 21:12
Usually I don't post about selling in this group, lately many people ask me about twister board.If anyone interest please contact me directly at "[email]". I have only 5 boards left, @ $28 include shipping already.
Thanks,
From: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
I think that's OpenSE Basic:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sebasic/files/OpenSE%20BASIC/
I have a modern twister made by Don (Superfo) that includes a rom with both the regular basic and this basic, selectable by a jumper. 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32. Re: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Bill Loguidice · Fri, 19 May 2017 23:08
Is that the twister board with the selectable ROM?
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On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Don Dindang [email] [ts2068] <
[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Usually I don't post about selling in this group, lately many people ask
> me about twister board.
> If anyone interest please contact me directly at "[email]". I
> have only 5 boards left, @ $28 include shipping already.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "[email] [ts2068]" <
> [email]>
> *To:* [email]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 19, 2017 8:04 AM
> *Subject:* [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active
> are TS2068 users?
>
>
> I think that's OpenSE Basic:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sebasic/files/OpenSE%20BASIC/
>
> I have a modern twister made by Don (Superfo) that includes a rom with
> both the regular basic and this basic, selectable by a jumper. I played
> with OpenSE a bit but if I recall correctly, it's not compatible with the
> Interface 1 (or Interface 1bis, in my case).
>
>
>
>
33. Re: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Don Dindang · Sat, 20 May 2017 05:17
yes,
From: "Bill Loguidice [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
Is that the twister board with the selectable ROM?
========================================================
Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc.
========================================================
Authored Books and Film; About me and other ways to get in touch
========================================================
On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Don Dindang [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
Usually I don't post about selling in this group, lately many people ask me about twister board.If anyone interest please contact me directly at "[email]". I have only 5 boards left, @ $28 include shipping already.
Thanks,
From: "zsj6ypzgmju4t66kaop56ps2vhxlj [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Re: The 2068's Keyboard-- not so bad; was: How active are TS2068 users?
I think that's OpenSE Basic:
https://sourceforge.net/ projects/sebasic/files/OpenSE% 20BASIC/
I have a modern twister made by Don (Superfo) that includes a rom with both the regular basic and this basic, selectable by a jumper. I played with OpenSE a bit but if I recall correctly, it's not compatible with the Interface 1 (or Interface 1bis, in my case).
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