Introduction to the list...
12 messages · 2006-10-11 → 2006-10-18 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org
Participants: Al Hartman, john hammer, Bill Loguidice, fredm, Don Dindang, alvin albrecht, Edwin Krampitz, Jr., Andre Secret, Timex
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1. Introduction to the list...
Al Hartman · Wed, 11 Oct 2006 18:08
Hi, I'm Al Hartman. I used to work for Zebra Systems in Woodhaven, NY
which was one of the leading Timex/Sinclsir after-market suppliers.
I've been in contact with Stewart the owner, and he and I have made a
deal so that I will be offering remainders from Zebra's Stock that is
just too small for Stewart to want to deal with.
I'll have more details in the coming weeks, but I'll have the 2068
Graphics Designer Software, the Car Sign Designer, books, other 2068
software, Analog to Digital Converter Boards, possibly some Spectrum
Emulator Cartridges, Twister Boards and more.
I have found the source to the Technical Manual for the Zebra Disk
System (the Timex Portugal Disk Drive System) which I can offer right
away.
A printed copy of that manual will be $5.00 including shipping and
handling.
As I find other things, I'll post about them.
What former products of Zebra Systems would people be interested in?
(I'll also have built ZX-81's, some RAM Cartiridges, and some other
TS-1000/ZX-81 stuff...)
I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a prototype of the
ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator, a ZX Interface One with a
Sinclair Wafer Drive, a Spectrum Adapter for the Zebra Disk System,
and I'm getting from another Zebra Employee one of the last Disk
Systems I know of.
I have here the OS Disks in 3" format, which I'll transfer to 3.5" and
5.25" format as soon as I can. I can make those available to people
who need them for the cost of media and shipping.
I'm looking for a TS-2068 for myself so I can test things here. I
passed on one at a show last weekend as it didn't look all that good.
I'm hoping Stewart still has a few of the Timex Portugal machines they
sent us way back when. They were pretty nice.
Stewart tells me this group is amazingly active and people are still
developing software and such.
That's great!
I'm looking forward to returning to and enjoying the world of Timex
Sinclair computers again.
Regards,
Al Hartman
Phila, PA
2. Re: [ts2068] Introduction to the list...
john hammer · Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:20
Hello Al,
I must have got to know Zebra systems after you left,
I repaired many 2068's as well as ts 1500's for Zebra
via mail. What a blast! I also purchased from Zebra
one of the dual 3 inch drives (maybe one of his last)
and I still have it.
I also repaired many 2068'S for Eric Johnson several
years ago and I really enjoyed working with him, we
also begain to be good friends, sure do miss him.
But, times changed and I dont repair computers
anymore, however, if you do come across any tc2068's
let me know.
John Hammer
--- Al Hartman <[email]> wrote:
> Hi, I'm Al Hartman. I used to work for Zebra Systems
> in Woodhaven, NY
> which was one of the leading Timex/Sinclsir
> after-market suppliers.
>
> I've been in contact with Stewart the owner, and he
> and I have made a
> deal so that I will be offering remainders from
> Zebra's Stock that is
> just too small for Stewart to want to deal with.
>
> I'll have more details in the coming weeks, but I'll
> have the 2068
> Graphics Designer Software, the Car Sign Designer,
> books, other 2068
> software, Analog to Digital Converter Boards,
> possibly some Spectrum
> Emulator Cartridges, Twister Boards and more.
>
> I have found the source to the Technical Manual for
> the Zebra Disk
> System (the Timex Portugal Disk Drive System) which
> I can offer right
> away.
>
> A printed copy of that manual will be $5.00
> including shipping and
> handling.
>
> As I find other things, I'll post about them.
>
> What former products of Zebra Systems would people
> be interested in?
>
> (I'll also have built ZX-81's, some RAM Cartiridges,
> and some other
> TS-1000/ZX-81 stuff...)
>
> I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a
> prototype of the
> ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator, a ZX
> Interface One with a
> Sinclair Wafer Drive, a Spectrum Adapter for the
> Zebra Disk System,
> and I'm getting from another Zebra Employee one of
> the last Disk
> Systems I know of.
>
> I have here the OS Disks in 3" format, which I'll
> transfer to 3.5" and
> 5.25" format as soon as I can. I can make those
> available to people
> who need them for the cost of media and shipping.
>
> I'm looking for a TS-2068 for myself so I can test
> things here. I
> passed on one at a show last weekend as it didn't
> look all that good.
>
> I'm hoping Stewart still has a few of the Timex
> Portugal machines they
> sent us way back when. They were pretty nice.
>
> Stewart tells me this group is amazingly active and
> people are still
> developing software and such.
>
> That's great!
>
> I'm looking forward to returning to and enjoying the
> world of Timex
> Sinclair computers again.
>
> Regards,
> Al Hartman
> Phila, PA
>
>
>
>
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3. RE: [ts2068] Introduction to the list...
Bill Loguidice · Wed, 11 Oct 2006 21:00
Exciting stuff, Al! I and I'm sure everyone else looks forward to what you
will have on offer for sale and can contribute to the discussions. Welcome.
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(A PC Magazine Top 100 Website)
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From: Al Hartman [mailto:[email]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 2:09 PM
To: [email]
Subject: [ts2068] Introduction to the list...
Hi, I'm Al Hartman. I used to work for Zebra Systems in Woodhaven, NY
which was one of the leading Timex/Sinclsir after-market suppliers.
I've been in contact with Stewart the owner, and he and I have made a
deal so that I will be offering remainders from Zebra's Stock that is
just too small for Stewart to want to deal with.
I'll have more details in the coming weeks, but I'll have the 2068
Graphics Designer Software, the Car Sign Designer, books, other 2068
software, Analog to Digital Converter Boards, possibly some Spectrum
Emulator Cartridges, Twister Boards and more.
I have found the source to the Technical Manual for the Zebra Disk
System (the Timex Portugal Disk Drive System) which I can offer right
away.
A printed copy of that manual will be $5.00 including shipping and
handling.
As I find other things, I'll post about them.
What former products of Zebra Systems would people be interested in?
(I'll also have built ZX-81's, some RAM Cartiridges, and some other
TS-1000/ZX-81 stuff...)
I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a prototype of the
ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator, a ZX Interface One with a
Sinclair Wafer Drive, a Spectrum Adapter for the Zebra Disk System,
and I'm getting from another Zebra Employee one of the last Disk
Systems I know of.
I have here the OS Disks in 3" format, which I'll transfer to 3.5" and
5.25" format as soon as I can. I can make those available to people
who need them for the cost of media and shipping.
I'm looking for a TS-2068 for myself so I can test things here. I
passed on one at a show last weekend as it didn't look all that good.
I'm hoping Stewart still has a few of the Timex Portugal machines they
sent us way back when. They were pretty nice.
Stewart tells me this group is amazingly active and people are still
developing software and such.
That's great!
I'm looking forward to returning to and enjoying the world of Timex
Sinclair computers again.
Regards,
Al Hartman
Phila, PA
4. Re: [ts2068] Introduction to the list...
fredm · Thu, 12 Oct 2006 11:53
Hi Al,
Welcome to the list!
Quoting Al Hartman <[email]>:
> I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a prototype of the
> ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator
The question of whether Sinclair ever sold any NTSC 48K Spectrums comes up from
time to time on comp.sys.sinclair. It seems that Sinclair at least had plans to
sell NTSC machines to the US via mail order, but no-one has confirmed the
existance of any machines.
Can you shed any light on NTSC Spectrums and the story of the prototype machine
above? Did it have a different ULA chip to the UK model?
Thanks,
Fred
5. Re: [ts2068] Re: Introduction to the list...
Don Dindang · Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:05
As I know, Eric also have one, it is a prototype.
I saw advertize in old magazine, there is one company
sell ULA ntsc version.
Watchara
--- Al Hartman <[email]> wrote:
> I can guarantee one exists, since I do indeed have
> one.
>
> I've never opened it up, and would prefer not to, so
> I can't verify
> the ULA revision. Unless you know of a way to do it
> in software?
>
> Al
>
> --- In [email], fredm@... wrote:
> >
> > Hi Al,
> >
> > Welcome to the list!
> >
> > Quoting Al Hartman <alhartman6@...>:
> > > I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer,
> a prototype of the
> > > ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator
> >
> > The question of whether Sinclair ever sold any
> NTSC 48K Spectrums
> comes up from
> > time to time on comp.sys.sinclair. It seems that
> Sinclair at least
> had plans to
> > sell NTSC machines to the US via mail order, but
> no-one has
> confirmed the
> > existance of any machines.
> >
> > Can you shed any light on NTSC Spectrums and the
> story of the
> prototype machine
> > above? Did it have a different ULA chip to the UK
> model?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fred
> >
>
>
>
>
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6. Re: Introduction to the list...
Al Hartman · Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:33
I can guarantee one exists, since I do indeed have one.
I've never opened it up, and would prefer not to, so I can't verify
the ULA revision. Unless you know of a way to do it in software?
Al
--- In [email], fredm@... wrote:
>
> Hi Al,
>
> Welcome to the list!
>
> Quoting Al Hartman <alhartman6@...>:
> > I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a prototype of the
> > ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator
>
> The question of whether Sinclair ever sold any NTSC 48K Spectrums
comes up from
> time to time on comp.sys.sinclair. It seems that Sinclair at least
had plans to
> sell NTSC machines to the US via mail order, but no-one has
confirmed the
> existance of any machines.
>
> Can you shed any light on NTSC Spectrums and the story of the
prototype machine
> above? Did it have a different ULA chip to the UK model?
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
7. Re: Introduction to the list...
Al Hartman · Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:37
I seem to remember hearing your name, so you may have started with
Stewart just as I left.
Those were fun days, to be sure...
Al
--- In [email], john hammer <johnp_1955@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Al,
>
> I must have got to know Zebra systems after you left,
> I repaired many 2068's as well as ts 1500's for Zebra
> via mail. What a blast! I also purchased from Zebra
> one of the dual 3 inch drives (maybe one of his last)
> and I still have it.
> I also repaired many 2068'S for Eric Johnson several
> years ago and I really enjoyed working with him, we
> also begain to be good friends, sure do miss him.
> But, times changed and I dont repair computers
> anymore, however, if you do come across any tc2068's
> let me know.
>
> John Hammer
>
>
> --- Al Hartman <alhartman6@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I'm Al Hartman. I used to work for Zebra Systems
> > in Woodhaven, NY
> > which was one of the leading Timex/Sinclsir
> > after-market suppliers.
> >
> > I've been in contact with Stewart the owner, and he
> > and I have made a
> > deal so that I will be offering remainders from
> > Zebra's Stock that is
> > just too small for Stewart to want to deal with.
> >
> > I'll have more details in the coming weeks, but I'll
> > have the 2068
> > Graphics Designer Software, the Car Sign Designer,
> > books, other 2068
> > software, Analog to Digital Converter Boards,
> > possibly some Spectrum
> > Emulator Cartridges, Twister Boards and more.
> >
> > I have found the source to the Technical Manual for
> > the Zebra Disk
> > System (the Timex Portugal Disk Drive System) which
> > I can offer right
> > away.
> >
> > A printed copy of that manual will be $5.00
> > including shipping and
> > handling.
> >
> > As I find other things, I'll post about them.
> >
> > What former products of Zebra Systems would people
> > be interested in?
> >
> > (I'll also have built ZX-81's, some RAM Cartiridges,
> > and some other
> > TS-1000/ZX-81 stuff...)
> >
> > I personally own a ZX-81 with a Thermal Printer, a
> > prototype of the
> > ZX-Specrum with an American RF Modulator, a ZX
> > Interface One with a
> > Sinclair Wafer Drive, a Spectrum Adapter for the
> > Zebra Disk System,
> > and I'm getting from another Zebra Employee one of
> > the last Disk
> > Systems I know of.
> >
> > I have here the OS Disks in 3" format, which I'll
> > transfer to 3.5" and
> > 5.25" format as soon as I can. I can make those
> > available to people
> > who need them for the cost of media and shipping.
> >
> > I'm looking for a TS-2068 for myself so I can test
> > things here. I
> > passed on one at a show last weekend as it didn't
> > look all that good.
> >
> > I'm hoping Stewart still has a few of the Timex
> > Portugal machines they
> > sent us way back when. They were pretty nice.
> >
> > Stewart tells me this group is amazingly active and
> > people are still
> > developing software and such.
> >
> > That's great!
> >
> > I'm looking forward to returning to and enjoying the
> > world of Timex
> > Sinclair computers again.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Al Hartman
> > Phila, PA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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8. RE: [ts2068] Re: Introduction to the list...
alvin albrecht · Thu, 12 Oct 2006 14:26
Hi Al and Watchara,
I only ever get bits and pieces from this group so
thanks to Fred for passing along this thread to me :-)
I really must check what's going on with my spam
filters.
As Fred says, there's been a lot of talk about whether
NTSC Spectrums were in fact made. I also recall
some ads and of course Sinclair talked the talk but
I didn't know whether they walked the walk since
no one has claimed to have one before now.
I can understand if you don't want to open up the
case, but is there any chance we can see some
photos (front back and centre) :-) ? And do you
know any of the story behind them?
Some of Timex's story that has been doing the rounds
would be classified more as urban myth rather than history
and among the stories is that Timex had an NTSC
Spectrum ready for market but canned it in favour of
the 2068 because the former didn't pass FCC regulations.
So faced with a board redesign or accelerating the 2068
project, they chose the latter. I am wondering if Sinclair
had the desire to sell NTSC Spectrums in the US (by mail
order naturally) and found that it wouldn't pass FCC
regulations and couldn't. Or was it a case of Sinclair
becoming distracted by other concerns?Anyway a hearty welcome to you. I too was a Zebra
customer and have many fond memories of receiving
packages from you. I was a young teenager, mind, so
no big ticket items :-) There are still some active
projects in the TS world if you need to itch the itch.
My only really active one at the moment is involvement
with z88dk, a C compiler.
Cheers,
Alvin
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9. Re: Introduction to the list...
Edwin Krampitz, Jr. · Fri, 13 Oct 2006 08:12
--- In [email], alvin albrecht <aralbrec@...> wrote:
"As Fred says, there's been a lot of talk about whether NTSC Spectrums
were in fact made. . . . Some of Timex's story that has been doing the
rounds would be classified more as urban myth rather than history and
among the stories is that Timex had an NTSC Spectrum ready for market
but canned it in favour of the 2068 because the former didn't pass FCC
regulations."
I have heard that NTSC Spectrums were sold in VERY small numbers in
Canada, which of course uses the same NTSC TV standard and 120 V AC as
the US, and that these sales continued for some time after Timex quit
selling the T/S 2068 in the US. A computer with a problem meeting US
FCC regs might have been perfectly acceptable under Canadian
regulations. It would be interesting to find out the story for
certain, as there seem to be few T/S and Spectrum buffs in Canada these
days (in the old days a users' group out of Vancouver, BC, was very
active).--Ed Krampitz, Jr.
10. Re: [ts2068] Re: Introduction to the list...
Andre Secret · Fri, 13 Oct 2006 06:14
Bonjour,
I did not see or have heard of a Spectrum being adapted to North American standard.
But what I have is better: A Timex 2068 with a switchable ROM. It can be used as a SPECTRUM or, at a flick of the switch, as a Timex 2068. The output is NTSC.
I do not "play" much with it being a ZX81 maniac. But I still keep in touch with other Sinclair-Timex computers.
Come and visit the web sites! Great ZX81 programs!
Goodby(t)e, ANDRE***
http://www.zx-team.de/andre
http://zx81.ordi5.free.fr/andre/andre.htm
"Edwin Krampitz, Jr." <[email]> wrote:
--- In [email], alvin albrecht <aralbrec@...> wrote:
"As Fred says, there's been a lot of talk about whether NTSC Spectrums
were in fact made. . . . Some of Timex's story that has been doing the
rounds would be classified more as urban myth rather than history and
among the stories is that Timex had an NTSC Spectrum ready for market
but canned it in favour of the 2068 because the former didn't pass FCC
regulations."
I have heard that NTSC Spectrums were sold in VERY small numbers in
Canada, which of course uses the same NTSC TV standard and 120 V AC as
the US, and that these sales continued for some time after Timex quit
selling the T/S 2068 in the US. A computer with a problem meeting US
FCC regs might have been perfectly acceptable under Canadian
regulations. It would be interesting to find out the story for
certain, as there seem to be few T/S and Spectrum buffs in Canada these
days (in the old days a users' group out of Vancouver, BC, was very
active).--Ed Krampitz, Jr.
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11. Re: Introduction to the list...
Al Hartman · Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:27
Well, from what I understand Stewart got this unit either as a
remainder from a large lot of stuff purchased from our contact for
Timex stuff, or we got it from Timex Portugal.
I'm pretty sure it's the former. But 20 year old memories are a bit dim.
It's likely this was a prototype shipped to a large American Retailer
for evaluation and ended up in a lot of remaindered
TS-1000/TS-1500/TS-2068 that we bought.
I will dig it out and take photos. But, it looks EXACTLY like any
other 48k Sinclair ZX-Spectrum of the time. Same black case, same blue
rubber keyboard, same labels.
The only difference is the labeling at the RF Connector that shows
it's a U.S. unit rather than a British Unit.
Timex Portugal made a TC-2048 in a similar case, but the keyboard
wasn't rubber, it was hard plastic like the TS-2068.
I even have a Timex Portugal Disk Adapter that works with this, that
has the Spectrum Version of the Disk ROMS.
If there's interest, we might be able to make copies of these ROMS
available to people who have Zebra Disk Systems and want to run them
on a Spectrum.
I won't know a lot more until after next weekend, when we go to
Zebra's Warehouse and wade through what's left.
I liked the TS-2068, and programs like Tech Draw and Z-Term showed it
could be a serious Computer.
If Timex had packaged it in a case similar to a C64 with a better
keyboard, I think it would have sold much better in the U.S.
You just can't touch type on that chicklet keyboard.
Al
--- In [email], alvin albrecht <aralbrec@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Al and Watchara,
>
> I only ever get bits and pieces from this group so
> thanks to Fred for passing along this thread to me :-)
> I really must check what's going on with my spam
> filters.
>
> As Fred says, there's been a lot of talk about whether
> NTSC Spectrums were in fact made. I also recall
> some ads and of course Sinclair talked the talk but
> I didn't know whether they walked the walk since
> no one has claimed to have one before now.
>
> I can understand if you don't want to open up the
> case, but is there any chance we can see some
> photos (front back and centre) :-) ? And do you
> know any of the story behind them?
>
> Some of Timex's story that has been doing the rounds
> would be classified more as urban myth rather than history
> and among the stories is that Timex had an NTSC
> Spectrum ready for market but canned it in favour of
> the 2068 because the former didn't pass FCC regulations.
> So faced with a board redesign or accelerating the 2068
> project, they chose the latter. I am wondering if Sinclair
> had the desire to sell NTSC Spectrums in the US (by mail
> order naturally) and found that it wouldn't pass FCC
> regulations and couldn't. Or was it a case of Sinclair
> becoming distracted by other concerns?Anyway a hearty welcome to
you. I too was a Zebra
> customer and have many fond memories of receiving
> packages from you. I was a young teenager, mind, so
> no big ticket items :-) There are still some active
> projects in the TS world if you need to itch the itch.
> My only really active one at the moment is involvement
> with z88dk, a C compiler.
>
> Cheers,
> Alvin
12. Re: [ts2068] Re: Introduction to the list...
Timex · Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:10
I have a ZX Spectrum 48K made by Timex Portugal, so it is possible to
exist a NTSC ZX Spectrum. Most Timex of Portugal ZX Spectrum have a
silver sticker with serial number glued inside of bottom casing in
edge connector zone.
I have too a ZX Spectrum 48K with a black plastic TS1500 casing and
rubber keys.
Johnny Red, Portugal
On Oct 13, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Al Hartman wrote:
> Well, from what I understand Stewart got this unit either as a
> remainder from a large lot of stuff purchased from our contact for
> Timex stuff, or we got it from Timex Portugal.
>
> I'm pretty sure it's the former. But 20 year old memories are a bit
> dim.
>
> It's likely this was a prototype shipped to a large American Retailer
> for evaluation and ended up in a lot of remaindered
> TS-1000/TS-1500/TS-2068 that we bought.
>
> I will dig it out and take photos. But, it looks EXACTLY like any
> other 48k Sinclair ZX-Spectrum of the time. Same black case, same blue
> rubber keyboard, same labels.
>
> The only difference is the labeling at the RF Connector that shows
> it's a U.S. unit rather than a British Unit.
>
> Timex Portugal made a TC-2048 in a similar case, but the keyboard
> wasn't rubber, it was hard plastic like the TS-2068.
>
> I even have a Timex Portugal Disk Adapter that works with this, that
> has the Spectrum Version of the Disk ROMS.
>
> If there's interest, we might be able to make copies of these ROMS
> available to people who have Zebra Disk Systems and want to run them
> on a Spectrum.
>
> I won't know a lot more until after next weekend, when we go to
> Zebra's Warehouse and wade through what's left.
>
> I liked the TS-2068, and programs like Tech Draw and Z-Term showed it
> could be a serious Computer.
>
> If Timex had packaged it in a case similar to a C64 with a better
> keyboard, I think it would have sold much better in the U.S.
>
> You just can't touch type on that chicklet keyboard.
>
> Al
>
> --- In [email], alvin albrecht <aralbrec@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Al and Watchara,
>>
>> I only ever get bits and pieces from this group so
>> thanks to Fred for passing along this thread to me :-)
>> I really must check what's going on with my spam
>> filters.
>>
>> As Fred says, there's been a lot of talk about whether
>> NTSC Spectrums were in fact made. I also recall
>> some ads and of course Sinclair talked the talk but
>> I didn't know whether they walked the walk since
>> no one has claimed to have one before now.
>>
>> I can understand if you don't want to open up the
>> case, but is there any chance we can see some
>> photos (front back and centre) :-) ? And do you
>> know any of the story behind them?
>>
>> Some of Timex's story that has been doing the rounds
>> would be classified more as urban myth rather than history
>> and among the stories is that Timex had an NTSC
>> Spectrum ready for market but canned it in favour of
>> the 2068 because the former didn't pass FCC regulations.
>> So faced with a board redesign or accelerating the 2068
>> project, they chose the latter. I am wondering if Sinclair
>> had the desire to sell NTSC Spectrums in the US (by mail
>> order naturally) and found that it wouldn't pass FCC
>> regulations and couldn't. Or was it a case of Sinclair
>> becoming distracted by other concerns?Anyway a hearty welcome to
> you. I too was a Zebra
>> customer and have many fond memories of receiving
>> packages from you. I was a young teenager, mind, so
>> no big ticket items :-) There are still some active
>> projects in the TS world if you need to itch the itch.
>> My only really active one at the moment is involvement
>> with z88dk, a C compiler.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alvin
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