TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
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Participants: Adam Trionfo, Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey, Jack Boatwright, Steven Collins, Tony, Glen Goodwin
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1. TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Adam Trionfo · Thu, 7 Feb 2008 10:13:
I received another book yesterday: "TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide" by Fred Blechman. This book has already been scanned and is available online, but I did want a copy of the actual book for myself. I'm glad that I did get it.
Like the second book in this series that I also own ("TS 2068: Intermediate/Advanced Guide," which has also been scanned already) this book is well put-together. It was published by Sams, which was sort of a symbol of quality back in the 1980's. The scan is B&W (for space saving reasons, I'm sure), but this book does have some color-- four pages (two pages, front and back). These color pages are screenshots of programs in the book. These two Sams books are well worth owning. If you haven't browsed the scans of the books, then you should do so.
Adam
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2. Re: [ts2068] TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:05
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 10:13 -0800, Adam Trionfo wrote:
> I received another book yesterday:
> "TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide" by Fred Blechman.
> ... It was published by Sams, which was sort of a symbol
> of quality back in the 1980's.
Thanks for the info!
You are right too, some of the SAMS books from that
era are still worth having.
My C64 Programmer's Reference Guide is still the number
one place I go to for C64 info, BASIC, assembly, machine
language, hardware, chip-level and register-level
controls, whatever.
I need a book like that for the TS2068, if one exists.
>
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I don't know if it's what you want, but it's what you get. :-)
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3. Re: [ts2068] TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Steven Collins · Fri, 8 Feb 2008 20:17:
Sure is, it's called Technical Manual published by Time Designs. Someone posted up a link to the pdf version, but I can't find it (got the paper version, found it).
----- Original Message ----
From: "Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey" <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2008 12:05:31 PM
Subject: Re: [ts2068] TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
On Thu, 2008-02-07 at 10:13 -0800, Adam Trionfo wrote:
> I received another book yesterday:
> "TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide" by Fred Blechman.
> ... It was published by Sams, which was sort of a symbol
> of quality back in the 1980's.
Thanks for the info!
You are right too, some of the SAMS books from that
era are still worth having.
My C64 Programmer's Reference Guide is still the number
one place I go to for C64 info, BASIC, assembly, machine
language, hardware, chip-level and register-level
controls, whatever.
I need a book like that for the TS2068, if one exists.
>
--
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey
I don't know if it's what you want, but it's what you get. :-)
-- Larry Wall in <10502@jpl-devvax. JPL.NASA. GOV>
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4. Re: [ts2068] TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:51
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 20:17 -0800, Steven Collins wrote:
> Sure is, it's called Technical Manual published
> by Time Designs. Someone posted up a link to the
> pdf version, but I can't find it (got the paper
> version, found it).
Thanks for the pointer! I will look for that.
>
--
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey
Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
-- Euripides
5. TS2068 Techincal Manual; was: TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Adam Trionfo · Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:13
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey wrote:
>>
Thanks for the pointer! I will look for that.
>>
The TS2068 Techincal Manual can be downloaded here:
http://www.timexsinclair.org/dl/TS2068TechnicalManual.zip
It was scanned in September of 2000 and then OCR software was used to keep the
filesize small (2.68MB). Back then most people got on the Internet with 56K modems,
so it was very important to have as small a filesize as possible. Now that many people
can handle a large download this manual should be rescanned.
If anybody wants to lend this manual to me I will gladly rescan it. Out of all of the
TS 2068 books that I've seen, this is probably the most important (except for maybe
the User's Manual). I have a LOT of scanning experience and I've borrowed material
for scanning purposes before. Just check out my Astrocade Ballyalley.com website
as a reference.
Adam
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6. Re: TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Tony · Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:20
If you happen to find a link, please share for those of us that missed it the
first time and dont have the deadtree version.
On Monday 11 February 2008 12:07:36 pm [email] wrote:
> _________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> 2a. Re: TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
> Posted by: "Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey" [email]
> exile_in_paradise Date: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:51 am ((PST))
>
> On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 20:17 -0800, Steven Collins wrote:
> > Sure is, it's called Technical Manual published
> > by Time Designs. Someone posted up a link to the
> > pdf version, but I can't find it (got the paper
> > version, found it).
>
> Thanks for the pointer! I will look for that.
>
> --
> Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey
> Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
> -- Euripides
7. Re: [ts2068] TS2068 Techincal Manual; was: TS 2068: Beginner/ Intermediate Guide
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey · Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:25
On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 08:13 -0800, Adam Trionfo wrote:
> The TS2068 Techincal Manual can be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.timexsinclair.org/dl/TS2068TechnicalManual.zip
Thanks Adam!
While we're driving by the issue, what is the
copywrong state of TS2068 materials?
Did Timex, or their supporters, release their
rights to materials like this?
While I don't expect Timex folks to ambush me
outside of my house with DMCA-based subpoenas like
the record or movie industry does, it would be nice
to know if having these materials now was actually
legal or not.
One reason I have a Vectrex emulator, ROMs, and
am slowly learning to write Vectrex programs is
simply because GCE, the company that made the
Vectrex, released their rights to the software
such as ROMs, and publications such as the hardware
manual, once they closed up shop.
I am hoping something like that happened with the
TS2068.
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8. Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Glen Goodwin · Tue, 12 Feb 2008 14:19
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey wrote:
> While we're driving by the issue, what is the
> copywrong state of TS2068 materials?
> Did Timex, or their supporters, release their
> rights to materials like this?
Not officially, but it is extremely unlikely that Timex
Corp. would lift a finger to enforce their ownership of
*anything* issued by Timex Computer Corp.
I posed this question to George Grimm, who was president
of TCC, and here's his reply:
> unless I saw someone making $ off of my old software
> and it became a cult classic worth big bucks ... hey i might go get them
> too.
> FAT CHANCE.
>
> Contrary to the collectors ... Timex left the computer business .... it's
> not going back.
> While Dan Ross, Billy Skyrme, and myself still maintain contact that is it.
Glen
9. Re: [ts2068] Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Jack Boatwright · Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:32
I'm not sure if this adds to the discussion but will offer it anyway.....
Early on, when I was contemplating writing the 'TIMEXsinclair Showcase' web site (mid-1990s), I contacted Timex Corp to see if there would be any problems using the logo, products description sheets and other things related to the Timex computers.
The gist of the emails from Timex Corp. was that they were OK with anything as long as it did not cast a bad light on Timex itself. I was asked to let them review the site prior to notifying the world that it was available - which I did and got their "blessing".
I don't remember who my contact was at the time, but I still have the emails stored on an old 486 that I used back then. I saved this computer solely because of those emails. I suppose, if necessary, those could (should?) be retrieved and archived someplace.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Goodwin
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Robert "Exile In Paradise" Murphey wrote:
> While we're driving by the issue, what is the
> copywrong state of TS2068 materials?
> Did Timex, or their supporters, release their
> rights to materials like this?
Not officially, but it is extremely unlikely that Timex
Corp. would lift a finger to enforce their ownership of
*anything* issued by Timex Computer Corp.
I posed this question to George Grimm, who was president
of TCC, and here's his reply:
> unless I saw someone making $ off of my old software
> and it became a cult classic worth big bucks ... hey i might go get them
> too.
> FAT CHANCE.
>
> Contrary to the collectors ... Timex left the computer business .... it's
> not going back.
> While Dan Ross, Billy Skyrme, and myself still maintain contact that is it.
Glen
10. RE: Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Adam Trionfo · Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:08
>>
I was asked to let them review the site prior to notifying the world that
it was available - which I did and got their "blessing".
>>
That's pretty impressive.
>>
I still have the emails stored on an old 486 that I used back then. [...]
I suppose, if necessary, those could (should?) be retrieved and
archived someplace.
>>
Indeed they should. They should be archived right on your site. Once they
are archived you can clear up some space taken up by that 486!
Adam
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11. Re: [ts2068] RE: Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Jack Boatwright · Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:18
Not quite as easy as it might seem ... the house was hit by lightning and all the i/o ports got fried. The computer still boots, but cannot print, use a modem, etc., etc. I suppose the hard drive could be placed in another computer for retrieval. I guess all I really need to save is the hard drive, the rest of the computer can go to the "old computer resting place"...
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Trionfo
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: [ts2068] RE: Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
>>
I was asked to let them review the site prior to notifying the world that
it was available - which I did and got their "blessing".
>>
That's pretty impressive.
>>
I still have the emails stored on an old 486 that I used back then. [...]
I suppose, if necessary, those could (should?) be retrieved and
archived someplace.
>>
Indeed they should. They should be archived right on your site. Once they
are archived you can clear up some space taken up by that 486!
Adam
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12. RE: Copyright issues for Timex Computer Corp. products
Adam Trionfo · Wed, 13 Feb 2008 06:41
>>
The computer still boots, but cannot print, use a modem, etc., etc.
>>
Can you save to floppy? If you just want to save a few emails (or even
a LOT), they would probaby all fit on a floppy-- and even more if you can
compress them.
>>
I suppose the hard drive could be placed in another computer for retrieval.
>>
Remember though, that ATA is pretty-much old news. While current new
computers usually have at least one ATA port (for optical drives), SATA will
replace it soon. Backing up the drive sooner than later is a VERY good idea.
Adam
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