TS 2068 Books
13 messages · 2004-07-21 → 2004-09-01 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org
Participants: bryankvines, Philip Kendall, Tarquin Mills, indygolunaria, aralbrec, Jack Boatwright, Senen Racki, Edwin Krampitz, Jr., joe schmoe
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1. TS 2068 Books
bryankvines · Wed, 21 Jul 2004 02:05
Howdy Group:
I have a question. I know copyright can be a tricky issue sometimes, especially when
dealing with old, out-of-print books.
But... I was wondering if anybody would be interested in having me scan a few to PDF.
I have the Timex Sinclair 2068 Beginner/Intermediate Guide, and the Intermediate/
Advanced Guide from SAMS books, and the "official" TS 2068 user manual. These are 5.5"
x 8.5" books, bound with a plastic comb. I'm going to have to unbind them, but I have
access to a plastic comb binding/unbinding machine.
I have a copier at work that can scan documents to PDF. I was thinking that it might be of
benefit to commit these documents to electronic form for future reference, and upload
them here. I won't know how big the files are until they're done; I might break them into
chapters if it looks like an entire book is going to be obnoxiously huge.
Y'all let me know what you think.
2. Re: [ts2068] TS 2068 Books
Tarquin Mills · Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:43
Bryan K Vines wrote:
> Howdy Group:
>
> I have a question. I know copyright can be a tricky issue sometimes,
> especially when dealing with old, out-of-print books.
>
> But... I was wondering if anybody would be interested in having me
> scan a few to PDF.
[snip]
Yes, go for it :-)
--
Tarquin Mills
Norwich Sinclair and Clones Show (ORSAM 2004)
http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Sinclair/petition.html (Bring Back YS)
3. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS 2068 Books
Jack Boatwright · Wed, 21 Jul 2004 14:13
> >From a site I ran into:
> -----
> Works Originally Created on or after January 1, 1978
>
(snip)
> -----
>
> That said, the Timex Sinclair is commercially dead, and unless
there is a great
> revival of untold proportions, I would assume that there is no
major
> reason for us to not digitize it, especially in a not for profit
> manner. If the copyright owner does come forward we can remove
the
> links and destroy the files.
Another thought is to try to contact the author and/or publisher
to see if there is any inherent problem with that. I believe that
was done for a lot of Spectrum programs before they were made
available in emulator format(s).
I would imagine that this could be a daunting task ... possibly
one (or more) of the group might consider this.
Jack
Jack
4. Re: TS 2068 Books
indygolunaria · Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:25
--- In [email], "bryankvines" <bryankvines@y...> wrote:
> I have a question. I know copyright can be a tricky issue sometimes,
> especially when dealing with old, out-of-print books.
5. Re: TS 2068 Books
aralbrec · Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:43
--- In [email], "bryankvines" <bryankvines@y...> wrote:
> But... I was wondering if anybody would be interested in having me
scan a few to PDF.
I think this would be brilliant.
Alvin
6. RE: [ts2068] TS 2068 Books
Senen Racki · Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:31
We've run across the copyright issue a lot in the automotive world. On the
ClassicOpels forum on Yahoo!, we made a group effort to copy the 1973 Opel
shop manual to PDF for all to have. We chose that year because it covered
the most models in one edition. After discussing at great length what to do
about copyright, we decided to simply ask General Motors for permission. To
our surprise, they agreed as long it was not for profit and was an accurate
representation of the original work. We had the same positive experience
with our NSU document reproduction efforts. Maybe we were just lucky...
As for the Timex Sinclair stuff, it's a little trickier. The company itself
didn't print 2 of the 3 manuals listed. So, I can foresee a problem with
those 2, but can't imagine any problems with the user manual. In any case,
it's a non-profit effort for a very limited audience, so the risk is quite
low. I'd have to agree with the previous posters and say "go for it".
Senen.
-----Original Message-----
From: bryankvines [mailto:[email]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 10:05 PM
To: [email]
Subject: [ts2068] TS 2068 Books
Howdy Group:
I have a question. I know copyright can be a tricky issue sometimes,
especially when
dealing with old, out-of-print books.
But... I was wondering if anybody would be interested in having me scan a
few to PDF.
I have the Timex Sinclair 2068 Beginner/Intermediate Guide, and the
Intermediate/
Advanced Guide from SAMS books, and the "official" TS 2068 user manual.
These are 5.5"
x 8.5" books, bound with a plastic comb. I'm going to have to unbind them,
but I have
access to a plastic comb binding/unbinding machine.
I have a copier at work that can scan documents to PDF. I was thinking that
it might be of
benefit to commit these documents to electronic form for future reference,
and upload
them here. I won't know how big the files are until they're done; I might
break them into
chapters if it looks like an entire book is going to be obnoxiously huge.
Y'all let me know what you think.
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7. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS 2068 Books
Philip Kendall · Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:26
On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 02:13:53PM -0700, Jack Boatwright wrote:
>
> Another thought is to try to contact the author and/or publisher
> to see if there is any inherent problem with that. I believe that
> was done for a lot of Spectrum programs before they were made
> available in emulator format(s).
Not really -- it's been done for some Spectrum programs, generally
significantly after they were made available.
Cheers,
Phil
--
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"We've met, Harmony, you half-wit."
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8. Re: TS 2068 Books
bryankvines · Sat, 24 Jul 2004 02:39
Hi all,
I've gone ahead and scanned the 2068 User Manual. Having cut my teeth on Sinclair BASIC
with the ZX-81 and TS-1000, I spent a LOT of time in the back of the book, and the little
rectangular holes in the binding took a lot of abuse. Accordingly, getting those pages
through the paper input tray of the copier started getting tricky after about Chapter 20,
because the pages had to be fed "binding-area first".
The only time I really got stomping mad at the copier was when it seriously wrinkled one
of the pages in Appendix A. In fact all of Appendix A gave me a fit, and I'm going to have
to re-scan that section. (Insert "The appendix has been removed" joke here)
The entire User Manual is going to be about 11MB in size. It's scanned at 300 dots per
inch, black and white. If printed, the results should be quite good. The other two books
will be about the same size.
--
Bryan Vines
9. Re: TS 2068 Books
bryankvines · Wed, 04 Aug 2004 16:01
Howdy again, folks.
I've got the Timex/Sinclair 2068 User Manual and the SAMS Beginner/Intermediate Guide
scanned. Each is about 10MB as a PDF file. I'll get the SAMS Intermediate/Advanced Guide
scanned later this week.
By the way, if anyone has other old documentation that needs to be scanned, I'd be happy
to do it.
Someone said they had space on a web server to host these? :)
--
Bryan Vines
10. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS 2068 Books
Philip Kendall · Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:11:
On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 04:01:19PM -0000, bryankvines wrote:
> I've got the Timex/Sinclair 2068 User Manual and the SAMS Beginner/Intermediate Guide
> scanned. Each is about 10MB as a PDF file. I'll get the SAMS Intermediate/Advanced Guide
> scanned later this week.
>
> Someone said they had space on a web server to host these? :)
I strongly suspect WoS will take them.
Cheers,
Phil
--
"Flak'sha [Engines at full] Shin'drabi [high power] Hat'rashu [hatrack
ratcatcher] and dolo [to port weapons] ishi'den [brickbat lingerie]"
"Tell the crew: 'Anyone who laughs will answer to me personally.'"
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11. Re: TS 2068 Books
Edwin Krampitz, Jr. · Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:39
Anything new on this? Been trying to get these two SAMS books for
years.--Ed
--- In [email], Philip Kendall <pak21@s...> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 04:01:19PM -0000, bryankvines wrote:
> > I've got the Timex/Sinclair 2068 User Manual and the SAMS
Beginner/Intermediate Guide scanned. Each is about 10MB as a PDF
file. I'll get the SAMS Intermediate/Advanced Guide scanned later
this week.
> > Someone said they had space on a web server to host these? :)
>
> I strongly suspect WoS will take them.
>
> Cheers, Phil
12. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS 2068 Books
joe schmoe · Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:12
never feed a punched edge into a copier auto doc
feeder binding edge first it will most always jam a
copier....second suggestion...get a xerox...
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13. Re: TS 2068 Books
bryankvines · Wed, 01 Sep 2004 22:57
It wouldn't have mattered which way I fed them, because the document feeder flips the
pages when scanning double-sided. :)
I just do them by hand now, anyway. It's sort of relaxing to put a page on the glass, hit the
button, flip the page, hit the button, put the page on the "done" stack, and repeat with the
next page.
At least the copier lets me select 5.5" x 8.5" as a document size.
So, anyhow, the books should be online shortly.
--
Bryan
--- In [email], joe schmoe <pxx1_2000_32724@y...> wrote:
>
> never feed a punched edge into a copier auto doc
> feeder binding edge first it will most always jam a
> copier....second suggestion...get a xerox...