TS Cartridge Rarity
27 messages · 2012-06-26 → 2012-07-17 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org
Participants: Eduardo Fuentes, Rod H, pxx1_2000_32724, Jack Boatwright, Mark, Mark Scheck, zxspectrum128, Oscar Arthur Koepke
Preserved from the Timex/Sinclair 2068 Yahoo Group (2001–2019), which is no longer online. Text reproduced from the archive.org archive; email addresses masked.
Messages
1. Ebay listing
Rod H · Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
2. RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Rod H · Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:21
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
3. Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Eduardo Fuentes · Wed, 27 Jun 2012 06:28
Hi Rod,
Can you post a list of the remaining items?
Perhaps some of us are interested in what you still have.
Regards,
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: Rod H <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: martes, 26 de junio de 2012 19:25
Asunto: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
4. Re: Ebay listing
Mark · Wed, 27 Jun 2012 13:26
I'm definitely interested since I have been in Waterbury for the last 2 weeks. I would love to bid on the 2068 it was one elegant machine that has a special quality that is hard for me to describe.
--- In [email], Rod H <rodh64@...> wrote:
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>
> In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>
> I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rod H.
>
5. Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Mark Scheck · Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
________________________________
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
________________________________
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
6. RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Rod H · Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:49
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything
will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
7. Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Eduardo Fuentes · Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:25
Can be one of those cartridges that you gave last time?
________________________________
De: Rod H <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: jueves, 28 de junio de 2012 10:49
Asunto: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
________________________________
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
________________________________
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
________________________________
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
8. RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Rod H · Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:32
Yes, I gave away 20 of this title. 35 carts in total.
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:25:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Can be one of those cartridges that you gave last time?
De: Rod H <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: jueves, 28 de junio de 2012 10:49
Asunto: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list.
Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
9. Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
Jack Boatwright · Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very common
It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
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To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
10. Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
pxx1_2000_32724 · Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:07
Do you know what the Penetrator Cartridge bug was? I have 2 of those and they both seemed to work fine.
--- In [email], "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@...> wrote:
>
> Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> 2. Budgeter - very rare
> 3. Androids - very rare
> 4. Casino I - rare
> 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> 6. Crazybugs - common
> 7. States & Capitals - very common
> It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod H
> To: [email]
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
>
> All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: [email]
> From: markscheck@...
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Is this really this rare?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Rod H <rodh64@...>
> To: [email]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> That was the link to the prior listing.
>
> The current listing is
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To: [email]
> From: rodh64@...
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>
> In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>
> I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rod H.
>
11. RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod H · Fri, 29 Jun 2012 09:12
Jack,
Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how
do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have
been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity
is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each
other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very common
It is said that Penetrator was in the
prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it
is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From:
Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49
AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on
the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few
cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth
what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much
experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed
there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a
couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous.
Fools and their money....
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun
2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
From: Rod H
<[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21
PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current
listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun
2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer
and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items
that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad
to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2
boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the
intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave
up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it
with some other items and listed it on
Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In
fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize
how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the
hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay
perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very
low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible
rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod
H.
12. Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack Boatwright · Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:23
Rod, etal,
IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
The TS1500 cartridges are:
a.. Supermath
b.. States & Capitals
c.. Chess
d.. Flight Simulator
I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack,
Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very common
It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
13. RE: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod H · Fri, 29 Jun 2012 23:08
Jack,
Thanks for the info. The 1500 Flight Sim cart I have is BNIB and probably originally came from Rod Gowen when he passed his stock to Jay Shepard whose collection then came to me. I've had the Supermath cart, unboxed, for years along with an uncased 1500 cartridge reader. Both probably acquired at either Indianapolis, Wash DC or Portland fest. Rare is one thing but value is another. I not sure I'd get much if I decided to sell. They really are only curiosity pieces.
Rod
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:23:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod, etal,
IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare
as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
I'm sure that most of us already know that the
Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and
a special OUT command.
The TS1500 cartridges are:
Supermath
States & Capitals
Chess
Flight Simulator
I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998
(Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction
listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't
remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it
was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always
seem to go for big money.
My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS
items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric
Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever
the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference
to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't
know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson.
Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator
cartridges.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From:
Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge
Rarity
Jack,
Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for
the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost
never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their
"rarity".
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28
Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay
listing
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how
do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have
been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for
rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each
other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very
common
It is said that Penetrator was in the
prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so
it is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49
AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on
the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few
cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth
what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much
experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed
there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a
couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous.
Fools and their money....
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28
Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
From: Rod H
<[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21
PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068]
Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current
listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun
2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay
listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last
summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and
Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this
list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were
reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about
even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the
member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his
cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on
Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In
fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't
realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off
the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay
as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start
at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly
as possible rather than taking them to the
landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
14. Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack Boatwright · Sat, 30 Jun 2012 08:14
Rod,
If you decided to sell some of your rarer items I think you would be pleasantly surprised at what they would fetch. There are collectors all over the world looking for these.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 11:08 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack,
Thanks for the info. The 1500 Flight Sim cart I have is BNIB and probably originally came from Rod Gowen when he passed his stock to Jay Shepard whose collection then came to me. I've had the Supermath cart, unboxed, for years along with an uncased 1500 cartridge reader. Both probably acquired at either Indianapolis, Wash DC or Portland fest. Rare is one thing but value is another. I not sure I'd get much if I decided to sell. They really are only curiosity pieces.
Rod
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:23:50 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod, etal,
IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
The TS1500 cartridges are:
a.. Supermath
b.. States & Capitals
c.. Chess
d.. Flight Simulator
I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack,
Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very common
It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
15. Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Sat, 30 Jun 2012 18:10
Jack,
I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
Regrards,
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: Jack Boatwright <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod, etal,
IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
The TS1500 cartridges are:
* Supermath
* States & Capitals
* Chess
* Flight Simulator
I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
>From: Rod H
>To: [email]
>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
>Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>Jack,
>
>Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
>
>
>
>________________________________
>To: [email]
>From: [email]
>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
>Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
>Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
>1. Pinball - extremely rare
>2. Budgeter - very rare
>3. Androids - very rare
>4. Casino I - rare
>5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
>6. Crazybugs - common
>7. States & Capitals - very common
>It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Rod H
>>To: [email]
>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
>>Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>To: [email]
>>From: [email]
>>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
>>Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Is this really this rare?
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Rod H <[email]>
>>To: [email]
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
>>Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>
>>
>>
>>That was the link to the prior listing.
>>
>>The current listing is
>>
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>To: [email]
>>From: [email]
>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
>>Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Howdy All,
>>
>>Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>>
>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>>
>>In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>>
>>I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Rod H.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
16. Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack Boatwright · Sat, 30 Jun 2012 20:17
Eduardo,
You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Eduardo Fuentes
To: [email]
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack,
I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
Regrards,
Eduardo.
De: Jack Boatwright <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Rod, etal,
IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
The TS1500 cartridges are:
a.. Supermath
b.. States & Capitals
c.. Chess
d.. Flight Simulator
I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Jack,
Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
1. Pinball - extremely rare
2. Budgeter - very rare
3. Androids - very rare
4. Casino I - rare
5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
6. Crazybugs - common
7. States & Capitals - very common
It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rod H
To: [email]
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Is this really this rare?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
From: Rod H <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
That was the link to the prior listing.
The current listing is
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
Howdy All,
Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
Cheers,
Rod H.
17. Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
pxx1_2000_32724 · Sun, 01 Jul 2012 13:12
I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
Neil
--- In [email], "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@...> wrote:
>
> Eduardo,
>
> You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eduardo Fuentes
> To: [email]
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
>
> Jack,
> I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
>
> Regrards,
> Eduardo.
>
>
> De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@...>
> Para: [email]
> Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
>
> Rod, etal,
>
> IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
>
> The TS1500 cartridges are:
> a.. Supermath
> b.. States & Capitals
> c.. Chess
> d.. Flight Simulator
> I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
>
> My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
>
> Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod H
> To: [email]
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
>
>
> To: [email]
> From: jboatno4@...
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> 2. Budgeter - very rare
> 3. Androids - very rare
> 4. Casino I - rare
> 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> 6. Crazybugs - common
> 7. States & Capitals - very common
> It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod H
> To: [email]
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
>
> To: [email]
> From: markscheck@...
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Is this really this rare?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
>
>
> From: Rod H <rodh64@...>
> To: [email]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> That was the link to the prior listing.
>
> The current listing is
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>
>
> To: [email]
> From: rodh64@...
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>
> In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>
> I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rod H.
>
18. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Sun, 1 Jul 2012 18:29:
Neil,
If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
Regrads,
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: pxx1_2000_32724 <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
Neil
--- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@...> wrote:
>
> Eduardo,
>
> You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eduardo Fuentes
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
>
> Jack,
> I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
>
> Regrards,
> Eduardo.
>
>
> De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@...>
> Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
>
> Rod, etal,
>
> IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
>
> The TS1500 cartridges are:
> a.. Supermath
> b.. States & Capitals
> c.. Chess
> d.. Flight Simulator
> I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
>
> My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
>
> Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
>
> Jack
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod H
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
> Jack,
>
> Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
>
>
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> From: jboatno4@...
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> 2. Budgeter - very rare
> 3. Androids - very rare
> 4. Casino I - rare
> 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> 6. Crazybugs - common
> 7. States & Capitals - very common
> It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rod H
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
>
>
> All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
>
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> From: markscheck@...
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Is this really this rare?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
>
>
> From: Rod H <rodh64@...>
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> That was the link to the prior listing.
>
> The current listing is
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>
>
> To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> From: rodh64@...
> Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>
>
>
>
> Howdy All,
>
> Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>
> In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>
> I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rod H.
>
19. Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Mon, 2 Jul 2012 04:25:
I'm sorry to hear that about Eric.
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: Jack Boatwright <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 0:17
Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo,
You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
Jack
----- Original Message -----
>From: Eduardo Fuentes
>To: [email]
>Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>Jack,
>I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
>Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
>
>Regrards,
>Eduardo.
>
>
>
>________________________________
>De: Jack Boatwright <[email]>
>Para: [email]
>Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
>Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
>
>Rod, etal,
>
>IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
>I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
>The TS1500 cartridges are:
> * Supermath
> * States & Capitals
> * Chess
> * Flight Simulator
>I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
>
>My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
>
>Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
>
>Jack
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Rod H
>>To: [email]
>>Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
>>Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
>>
>>
>>Jack,
>>
>>Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>To: [email]
>>From: [email]
>>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
>>Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
>>1. Pinball - extremely rare
>>2. Budgeter - very rare
>>3. Androids - very rare
>>4. Casino I - rare
>>5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
>>6. Crazybugs - common
>>7. States & Capitals - very common
>>It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Rod H
>>>To: [email]
>>>Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>To: [email]
>>>From: [email]
>>>Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
>>>Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Is this really this rare?
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>From: Rod H <[email]>
>>>To: [email]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
>>>Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That was the link to the prior listing.
>>>
>>>The current listing is
>>>
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>>To: [email]
>>>From: [email]
>>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
>>>Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Howdy All,
>>>
>>>Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
>>>
>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
>>>
>>>In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
>>>
>>>I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Rod H.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
20. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Mon, 2 Jul 2012 08:59:
Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
Regards,
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: pxx1_2000_32724 <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
"Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
thanks,
Neil
--- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Neil,
> If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> Regrads,
> Eduardo.
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
> I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> Neil
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> >
> > Eduardo,
> >
> > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack,
> > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> >
> > Regrards,
> > Eduardo.
> >
> >
> > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rod, etal,
> >
> > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> >
> > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > a.. Supermath
> > b.. States & Capitals
> > c.. Chess
> > d.. Flight Simulator
> > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> >
> > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> >
> > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rod H
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> >
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: jboatno4@
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > 3. Androids - very rare
> > 4. Casino I - rare
> > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rod H
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: markscheck@
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this really this rare?
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> >
> >
> > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That was the link to the prior listing.
> >
> > The current listing is
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> >
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: rodh64@
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy All,
> >
> > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> >
> > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> >
> > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rod H.
> >
>
21. Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
pxx1_2000_32724 · Mon, 02 Jul 2012 12:14
Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
"Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
thanks,
Neil
--- In [email], Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Neil,
> If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> Regrads,
> Eduardo.
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: [email]
> Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
> I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> Neil
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> >
> > Eduardo,
> >
> > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack,
> > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> >
> > Regrards,
> > Eduardo.
> >
> >
> > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: sábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rod, etal,
> >
> > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> >
> > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > a.. Supermath
> > b.. States & Capitals
> > c.. Chess
> > d.. Flight Simulator
> > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> >
> > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> >
> > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rod H
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack,
> >
> > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> >
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: jboatno4@
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > 3. Androids - very rare
> > 4. Casino I - rare
> > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rod H
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: markscheck@
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this really this rare?
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> >
> >
> > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > That was the link to the prior listing.
> >
> > The current listing is
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> >
> >
> > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: rodh64@
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Howdy All,
> >
> > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> >
> > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> >
> > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rod H.
> >
>
22. Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
pxx1_2000_32724 · Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:56
Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
thanks,
neil
--- In [email], Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
> Â
> Regards,
> Eduardo.
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: [email]
> Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
> "Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
> The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
> So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
> thanks,
> Neil
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil,
> > If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> > If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> > Regrads,
> > Eduardo.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Eduardo,
> > >
> > > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack,
> > > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> > >
> > > Regrards,
> > > Eduardo.
> > >
> > >
> > > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviado: sÃÆ'ábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rod, etal,
> > >
> > > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> > >
> > > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > > a.. Supermath
> > > b.. States & Capitals
> > > c.. Chess
> > > d.. Flight Simulator
> > > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> > >
> > > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> > >
> > > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rod H
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> > >
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: jboatno4@
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > > 3. Androids - very rare
> > > 4. Casino I - rare
> > > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rod H
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: markscheck@
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this really this rare?
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That was the link to the prior listing.
> > >
> > > The current listing is
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> > >
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: rodh64@
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Howdy All,
> > >
> > > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> > >
> > > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> > >
> > > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Rod H.
> > >
> >
>
23. Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
zxspectrum128 · Fri, 06 Jul 2012 03:51
--- In [email], "pxx1_2000_32724" <pxx1_2000_32724@...> wrote:
>
Hi Neil. The tech would have to use an eprom reader that can read a 27C512 (or 2xC512) and save the 64K file it will produce. With that file the people here in the group can produce a .DCK file which would be a faithful digital backup of the original cartridge. The adapter shown on that page was made by my friend Jose Leandro so he could borrow the cartridges (I sent him several) and preserve their contents without having to open the case. The cartridge gets connected to the adapter and the adaptor to the eprom reader. Nowadays there are eprom readers that connect to any PC via USB, but I don't know which one supports 27C512s. Hope this helps.
P.S. I will translate the entire page if it helps getting this done.
> Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
> thanks,
> neil
>
>
> --- In [email], Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> > Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> > With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> > Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> > I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
24. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Fri, 13 Jul 2012 04:31
Hi Neil,
Sorry for the delay, your mail fall in my spam folder.
I think that almost every eprom programmer can read the cartridge. TS-2068's cartriges can have a 27C512 (64Kb) eproms as a maximum capacity.
Regards,
Eduardo.
________________________________
De: pxx1_2000_32724 <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 16:56
Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
thanks,
neil
--- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
> Â
> Regards,
> Eduardo.
> Â
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
>
> Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
> "Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
> The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
> So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
> thanks,
> Neil
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil,
> > If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> > If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> > Regrads,
> > Eduardo.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> > I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Eduardo,
> > >
> > > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack,
> > > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> > >
> > > Regrards,
> > > Eduardo.
> > >
> > >
> > > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviado: sÃÆ'¡bado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rod, etal,
> > >
> > > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> > >
> > > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > > a.. Supermath
> > > b.. States & Capitals
> > > c.. Chess
> > > d.. Flight Simulator
> > > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> > >
> > > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> > >
> > > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rod H
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jack,
> > >
> > > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> > >
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: jboatno4@
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > > 3. Androids - very rare
> > > 4. Casino I - rare
> > > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rod H
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: markscheck@
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this really this rare?
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > That was the link to the prior listing.
> > >
> > > The current listing is
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> > >
> > >
> > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: rodh64@
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Howdy All,
> > >
> > > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> > >
> > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> > >
> > > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> > >
> > > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Rod H.
> > >
> >
>
25. Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
pxx1_2000_32724 · Sat, 14 Jul 2012 13:12
Eduardo, I spoke with him yesterday, he says he is able to read the EPROM. I need you to contact me through my email on yahoo so as not tie up this forum with our correspondence. so we can exchange addresses and get this project rolling.
peace,
neil
--- In [email], Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
> Sorry for the delay, your mail fall in my spam folder.
> I think that almost every eprom programmer can read the cartridge. TS-2068's cartriges can have a 27C512 (64Kb) eproms as a maximum capacity.
> Regards,
> Eduardo.
> Â
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: [email]
> Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 16:56
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
> Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
> thanks,
> neil
>
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> > Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> > With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> > Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> > I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having gotÃÂ the conversor device first).
> > ÃÂ
> > Regards,
> > Eduardo.
> > ÃÂ
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
> > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> >
> > Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
> > "Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
> > The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
> > So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
> > thanks,
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Neil,
> > > If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> > > If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> > > Regrads,
> > > Eduardo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> > > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eduardo,
> > > >
> > > > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > > > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> > > >
> > > > Regrards,
> > > > Eduardo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Enviado: sÃÆ'Ã'Ãâábado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > > > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rod, etal,
> > > >
> > > > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > > > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> > > >
> > > > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > > > a.. Supermath
> > > > b.. States & Capitals
> > > > c.. Chess
> > > > d.. Flight Simulator
> > > > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> > > >
> > > > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> > > >
> > > > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: jboatno4@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > > > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > > > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > > > 3. Androids - very rare
> > > > 4. Casino I - rare
> > > > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > > > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > > > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > > > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: markscheck@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this really this rare?
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That was the link to the prior listing.
> > > >
> > > > The current listing is
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: rodh64@
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy All,
> > > >
> > > > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> > > >
> > > > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> > > >
> > > > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Rod H.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
26. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo Fuentes · Mon, 16 Jul 2012 07:28
Neil,
Last saturday i've sent you an email to pxx1_2000_32724@.........
I think it is in your spam folder.
Regrads,
Eduardo.
P.S.: To all other participants of this forum, sorry for disturbing you with private mail
________________________________
De: pxx1_2000_32724 <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: sábado, 14 de julio de 2012 10:12
Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo, I spoke with him yesterday, he says he is able to read the EPROM. I need you to contact me through my email on yahoo so as not tie up this forum with our correspondence. so we can exchange addresses and get this project rolling.
peace,
neil
--- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
> Sorry for the delay, your mail fall in my spam folder.
> I think that almost every eprom programmer can read the cartridge. TS-2068's cartriges can have a 27C512 (64Kb) eproms as a maximum capacity.
> Regards,
> Eduardo.
> Â
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 16:56
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
> Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
> thanks,
> neil
>
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> > Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> > With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> > Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> > I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
> > ÂÂ
> > Regards,
> > Eduardo.
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
> > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
> > "Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
> > The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
> > So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
> > thanks,
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Neil,
> > > If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> > > If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> > > Regrads,
> > > Eduardo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> > > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eduardo,
> > > >
> > > > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > > > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> > > >
> > > > Regrards,
> > > > Eduardo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Enviado: sÃÆ'Æ'¡bado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > > > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rod, etal,
> > > >
> > > > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > > > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> > > >
> > > > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > > > a.. Supermath
> > > > b.. States & Capitals
> > > > c.. Chess
> > > > d.. Flight Simulator
> > > > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> > > >
> > > > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> > > >
> > > > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: jboatno4@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > > > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > > > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > > > 3. Androids - very rare
> > > > 4. Casino I - rare
> > > > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > > > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > > > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > > > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: markscheck@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this really this rare?
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That was the link to the prior listing.
> > > >
> > > > The current listing is
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: rodh64@
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy All,
> > > >
> > > > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> > > >
> > > > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> > > >
> > > > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Rod H.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
27. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Oscar Arthur Koepke · Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:48
Don't forget to upload the rom...
Good luck.
Thanks,
Oscar
Brazil
________________________________
From: pxx1_2000_32724 <[email]>
To: [email]
Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
Eduardo, I spoke with him yesterday, he says he is able to read the EPROM. I need you to contact me through my email on yahoo so as not tie up this forum with our correspondence. so we can exchange addresses and get this project rolling.
peace,
neil
--- In [email], Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Neil,
> Sorry for the delay, your mail fall in my spam folder.
> I think that almost every eprom programmer can read the cartridge. TS-2068's cartriges can have a 27C512 (64Kb) eproms as a maximum capacity.
> Regards,
> Eduardo.
> Â
>
>
> ________________________________
> De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@...>
> Para: [email]
> Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 16:56
> Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
>
>
> Â
> Hi Eduardo, I have a tech that may be able to supply the eprom reader/programmer. Is there anything specific for me to ask him about the type of eprom programmer that i need for this project?
> thanks,
> neil
>
>
> --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> >
> > Neil, your translation is accurate, but I only gave you the link to show you the conversor circuit (below "Esquema").
> > Basically having that device you connect the cartridge in one side and an EPROM programmer in the other.
> > With the EPROM programmer you can read the ROM content and save it to a disk file.
> > Unfortunatelly you don't have the possibility to make it read without an EPROM programmer.
> > I don't know if any electronics shop near to you can do the reading job (having got the conversor device first).
> > ÂÂ
> > Regards,
> > Eduardo.
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > ________________________________
> > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > Enviado: lunes, 2 de julio de 2012 9:14
> > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> >
> >
> > ÂÂ
> >
> > Thanks for the offer Eduardo. I do not own an EPROM reader, nor have I ever seen one used. I did go to the link that you provided. I think I got the first line translated...
> > "Los ordenadores Timex Sinclair TS2068 y TC2068 disponen de un puerto de expansión para introducir cartuchos. Estos cartuchos, muy diferentes a los utilizados en el Spectrum, pueden tener una capacidad máxima de 64K y estar compuesto tanto por módulos ROM como por RAM." ...
> > The standard Timex/Sinclair 2068 and TC 2068 have an expansion door to introduce cartridges. This card is very different than the one used in the Spectrum having a maximum capacity of 64K (guessing here) which should be enough for the ROM and the RAM....
> > So, am I to take from this that the pin-outs on the edge connector under the cartridge door on the TS-2068 are the same as the TC 2068? Have you tried one of these on a TS-2068 yet? How close was I on the translation and do you have a version of that page in English?
> > thanks,
> > Neil
> >
> > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, Eduardo Fuentes <fuentesea@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Neil,
> > > If you have a little electronics knowledge you can make a conversor that can be read with any eprom programmer. Schematics can be found at http://www.speccy.org/trastero/cosas/JL/CartuchosTimex/ROM-EPROM.html
> > > If you don't know how to make it, I can make you one and send it to you by mail.
> > > Regrads,
> > > Eduardo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > De: pxx1_2000_32724 <pxx1_2000_32724@>
> > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Enviado: domingo, 1 de julio de 2012 10:12
> > > Asunto: [ts2068] Re: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > >
> > >
> > > ÂÂÂ
> > > I would gladly upload that ROM if I knew how to get the code off of the cartridge and transfer it into a PC to send. I do not have the RS 232 serial interface that I think is required to do this, however I do have several modem boards to make one with...Do PC's even have an RS-232 port anymore? Is there a different method you can share?...thanks
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com, "Jack Boatwright" <jboatno4@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eduardo,
> > > >
> > > > You would have to talk to Neil. Sadly, Eric is deceased. Penetrator is also available on cassette tape for the 2068 and an image of the ROM might be gotten there. Penetrator is the same game as Red Alert for the TS1000/ZX81, it just has a few more "bells and whistles" added - and is in colo(u)r. http://www.ebay.com/itm/RED-ALERT-16K-BRAND-NEW-RARE-FOR-TIMEX-TS1000-SINCLAIR-ZX81-/360469093862?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53eda1dde6
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Eduardo Fuentes
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:10 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > > I saw a Penetrator rom image uploaded in the files folder of the group site. It's description says that is not original.
> > > > Do you think that Neil or Eric can take an image of the original rom and upload to the files folder?
> > > >
> > > > Regrards,
> > > > Eduardo.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > De: Jack Boatwright <jboatno4@>
> > > > Para: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Enviado: sÃÆ'Æ'¡bado, 30 de junio de 2012 1:23
> > > > Asunto: Re: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rod, etal,
> > > >
> > > > IMHO - the TS1500 cartridges are unbelievably rare as is the TS1510 Cartridge Player.
> > > > I'm sure that most of us already know that the Cartridges and Player will also work with a TS1000 or ZX81 with 16K RAM and a special OUT command.
> > > >
> > > > The TS1500 cartridges are:
> > > > a.. Supermath
> > > > b.. States & Capitals
> > > > c.. Chess
> > > > d.. Flight Simulator
> > > > I have seen only one 1500 cart on eBay since 1998 (Flight Simulator in original box) and the fellow running the auction listed it as a 2068 cartridge so there was very little bidding. I don't remember what the final price was but it was very low, considering what it was. I have seen 2 or 3 Cartridge Players during this time and they always seem to go for big money.
> > > >
> > > > My feeling is that these are the rarest of the TS items. I seem to remember hearing (possibly from Rod Gowen, Eric Johnson or Frank Davis) that only 1,000 of each was made. Whatever the number you are correct when you say that you "... almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 ...". I feel it is because they are that rare.
> > > >
> > > > Neil asked about the 2068 Penetrator bug - I don't know what it was but I discussed the cartridge with the late Eric Johnson. Neil has Eric's collection now so he has the only 2 known Penetrator cartridges.
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2012 9:12 AM
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] RE: TS Cartridge Rarity
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jack,
> > > >
> > > > Do you have any thoughts about cartridges made for the 1500? I have Flight Sim and Supermath carts for the 1500 but almost never see reference to carts for the 1500 so can't get a feel for their "rarity".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: jboatno4@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 23:12:14 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re:TS Cartridge Rarity was [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cartridge rarity is a very subjective thing...how do you gauge it when so few cartridges were made for the TS2068? I have been watching the availablity of cartridges since 1983 and my feeling for rarity is as follows (for what it's worth). These are in relationship to each other:
> > > > 1. Pinball - extremely rare
> > > > 2. Budgeter - very rare
> > > > 3. Androids - very rare
> > > > 4. Casino I - rare
> > > > 5. Flight Simulator - uncommon
> > > > 6. Crazybugs - common
> > > > 7. States & Capitals - very common
> > > > It is said that Penetrator was in the prototype stage (but had a bug) when Timex left the computer industry so it is possible that one or two of these exist.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Rod H
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 6:49 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All cartridges are somewhat rare in that they don't come on the market often --people tend to hold onto them. I had quite a few cartridges I gave out in the TS Handout. It is certainly is not worth what this guy is asking. He's in the UK and probably doesn't have much experience with TS related items as the Timex Sinclair 2068 wasn't marketed there. I don't think most cartridges are worth more than $20 with a couple perhaps going for a bit more. His price is ridiculous. Fools and their money....
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: markscheck@
> > > > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2012 06:29:00 -0700
> > > > Subject: Re: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Is this really this rare?
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/States-and-Capitals-Cartridge-Sinclair-Timex-2068-RARE-/261035767333?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item3cc6f1b625
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Rod H <rodh64@>
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 7:21 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That was the link to the prior listing.
> > > >
> > > > The current listing is
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732808393?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:ts2068%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: rodh64@
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 15:25:22 -0700
> > > > Subject: [ts2068] Ebay listing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Howdy All,
> > > >
> > > > Most members of this list know that last summer and fall Bruno and I dispersed a large collection of Timex and Sinclair items that came to us from an estate to various members of this list. I'm glad to say that 33 large cartons in my garage were reduced to 1 & 1/2 boxes and that after all was done we came out about even which was the intention. I have one 2068 remaining that the member requesting it gave up as he suddenly had more pressing uses for his cash. I've combined it with some other items and listed it on Ebay.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/300732354203?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649
> > > >
> > > > In fact this is a relisting as it sold once already but the buyer didn't realize how much it cost to ship something to Russia. I let him off the hook.
> > > >
> > > > I will also shortly put the other remaining items on Ebay as Ebay perhaps has a wider base than this list. Everything will start at a very low price as I still want to move the remaining items as quickly as possible rather than taking them to the landfill.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Rod H.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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