TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
7 messages · 2019-07-18 → 2019-09-11 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org
Participants: Adam Trionfo, Luis Alberto D'Ardis, Fredrick Meunier, David Anderson, Chris Nystrom
Preserved from the Timex/Sinclair 2068 Yahoo Group (2001–2019), which is no longer online. Text reproduced from the archive.org archive; email addresses masked.
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1. TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Adam Trionfo · Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:34
Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my computer's sound card?
Adam
2. Re: [ts2068] TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Fredrick Meunier · Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:27
Hi Adam,
> On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:34, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
> Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
>
No, while the TS2068 BASIC is a evolution of the TS1000 BASIC the syntax and keywords are slightly different as well as having some differences based on the hardware (like losing SLOW and FAST modes) and different graphic symbols. With a bit of effort many programs can be adapted for the newer machine though.
> Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my computer's sound card?
The tape encoding schemes are quite different so you can’t directly load TS 1000 tapes into a TS2068. You could write a program to read the raw data but the programs would still need adapting.
Fred
3. Re: TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
David Anderson · Fri, 19 Jul 2019 03:31
Upload 2000, in theory, will convert a 1000 program into 2068 Basic. I’ve never used it.
4. Re: TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Adam Trionfo · Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:03
Thanks for answering my questions, guys. I guess it isn't a loss that the T/S 2000 series can't take direct advantage of the earlier programs. Those programs all would have been B&W and silent anyway. I see on YouTube videos that many people use their 2068 to run Spectrum software via the emulator cart (which I do have). I've always thought that it was a shame that the 2068's extra features never were used extensively.
I've had the urge to unbox and use my TS/2068 since looking closely through my classic computer book collection over the last few weeks. I have more Timex/Sinclair/Z80 books than I remembered. I may make a video which features them all (or at least some of the more interesting ones).
Adam
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From: [email] <[email]> on behalf of Fredrick Meunier [email] [ts2068] <[email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 5:27 PM
To: [email]
Subject: Re: [ts2068] TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Hi Adam,
On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:34, Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
No, while the TS2068 BASIC is a evolution of the TS1000 BASIC the syntax and keywords are slightly different as well as having some differences based on the hardware (like losing SLOW and FAST modes) and different graphic symbols. With a bit of effort many programs can be adapted for the newer machine though.
Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my computer's sound card?
The tape encoding schemes are quite different so you can’t directly load TS 1000 tapes into a TS2068. You could write a program to read the raw data but the programs would still need adapting.
Fred
5. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Chris Nystrom · Tue, 3 Sep 2019 20:07:
Actually I think it is a bigger shame that Timer did not stick with the
TS2000, instead of the TS2068 and make it as close to Spectrum compatible
as possible. With twister cards and emulator cartridges it seems that would
have been easy to do. The advantage of compatibility would have far greater
than the small technical advantages. In the end in forced them out of the
market.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:29 PM Adam Trionfo [email]
[ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for answering my questions, guys. I guess it isn't a loss that the
> T/S 2000 series can't take direct advantage of the earlier programs. Those
> programs all would have been B&W and silent anyway. I see on YouTube
> videos that many people use their 2068 to run Spectrum software via the
> emulator cart (which I do have). I've always thought that it was a shame
> that the 2068's extra features never were used extensively.
>
> I've had the urge to unbox and use my TS/2068 since looking closely
> through my classic computer book collection over the last few weeks. I
> have more Timex/Sinclair/Z80 books than I remembered. I may make a video
> which features them all (or at least some of the more interesting ones).
>
> Adam
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* [email] <[email]> on behalf of
> Fredrick Meunier [email] [ts2068] <[email]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2019 5:27 PM
> *To:* [email]
> *Subject:* Re: [ts2068] TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
>
>
>
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:34, Adam Trionfo [email]
> <[email]> [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the
> BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a
> TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if
> that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
>
> No, while the TS2068 BASIC is a evolution of the TS1000 BASIC the syntax
> and keywords are slightly different as well as having some differences
> based on the hardware (like losing SLOW and FAST modes) and different
> graphic symbols. With a bit of effort many programs can be adapted for the
> newer machine though..
>
> Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my
> computer's sound card?
>
> The tape encoding schemes are quite different so you can’t directly load
> TS 1000 tapes into a TS2068. You could write a program to read the raw data
> but the programs would still need adapting.
>
> Fred
>
>
>
6. Re: [ts2068] Re: TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:10
Hii group!! may be you can be interested in this, i don't know if this works straight but may be somebody with more knowledge than me do a conversion for Timex Snclair 2068 Computers.
ZX81 EMULATOR FOR ZX SPECTRUM 48K
https://www.zx81.nl/dload/emulators/zxspectrum/
ZX81 EMULATOR FOR ZX SPECTRUM 128K
http://www.fruitcake.plus.com/Sinclair/Interface2/Cartridges/Interface2_RC_New_ZX81.htm
cheers!!
El 3/9/19 a las 22:07, Chris Nystrom [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] escribió:
Actually I think it is a bigger shame that Timer did not stick with the TS2000, instead of the TS2068 and make it as close to Spectrum compatible as possible. With twister cards and emulator cartridges it seems that would have been easy to do. The advantage of compatibility would have far greater than the small technical advantages. In the end in forced them out of the market.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:29 PM Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
Thanks for answering my questions, guys. I guess it isn't a loss that the T/S 2000 series can't take direct advantage of the earlier programs. Those programs all would have been B&W and silent anyway. I see on YouTube videos that many people use their 2068 to run Spectrum software via the emulator cart (which I do have). I've always thought that it was a shame that the 2068's extra features never were used extensively.
I've had the urge to unbox and use my TS/2068 since looking closely through my classic computer book collection over the last few weeks. I have more Timex/Sinclair/Z80 books than I remembered. I may make a video which features them all (or at least some of the more interesting ones).
Adam
________________________________
From: [email]<mailto:[email]> <[email]<mailto:[email]>> on behalf of Fredrick Meunier [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 5:27 PM
To: [email]<mailto:[email]>
Subject: Re: [ts2068] TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Hi Adam,
On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:34, Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
No, while the TS2068 BASIC is a evolution of the TS1000 BASIC the syntax and keywords are slightly different as well as having some differences based on the hardware (like losing SLOW and FAST modes) and different graphic symbols. With a bit of effort many programs can be adapted for the newer machine though..
Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my computer's sound card?
The tape encoding schemes are quite different so you can’t directly load TS 1000 tapes into a TS2068. You could write a program to read the raw data but the programs would still need adapting.
Fred
7. Re: [ts2068] Re: 2 TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:13
forgot this:
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0015646
http://www.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/screens/in-game/z/ZX81-Emulator.gif
:-D
Hii group!! may be you can be interested in this, i don't know if this works straight but may be somebody with more knowledge than me do a conversion for Timex Snclair 2068 Computers.
ZX81 EMULATOR FOR ZX SPECTRUM 48K
https://www.zx81.nl/dload/emulators/zxspectrum/
ZX81 EMULATOR FOR ZX SPECTRUM 128K
http://www.fruitcake.plus.com/Sinclair/Interface2/Cartridges/Interface2_RC_New_ZX81.htm
cheers!!
El 3/9/19 a las 22:07, Chris Nystrom [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] escribió:
Actually I think it is a bigger shame that Timer did not stick with the TS2000, instead of the TS2068 and make it as close to Spectrum compatible as possible. With twister cards and emulator cartridges it seems that would have been easy to do. The advantage of compatibility would have far greater than the small technical advantages. In the end in forced them out of the market.
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 3:29 PM Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
Thanks for answering my questions, guys. I guess it isn't a loss that the T/S 2000 series can't take direct advantage of the earlier programs. Those programs all would have been B&W and silent anyway. I see on YouTube videos that many people use their 2068 to run Spectrum software via the emulator cart (which I do have). I've always thought that it was a shame that the 2068's extra features never were used extensively.
I've had the urge to unbox and use my TS/2068 since looking closely through my classic computer book collection over the last few weeks. I have more Timex/Sinclair/Z80 books than I remembered. I may make a video which features them all (or at least some of the more interesting ones).
Adam
________________________________
From: [email]<mailto:[email]> <[email]<mailto:[email]>> on behalf of Fredrick Meunier [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 5:27 PM
To: [email]<mailto:[email]>
Subject: Re: [ts2068] TS2068 / TS 1000 BASIC Compatibly
Hi Adam,
On 19 Jul 2019, at 01:34, Adam Trionfo [email]<mailto:[email]> [ts2068] <[email]<mailto:[email]>> wrote:
Is the Timex/Sinclair version of BASIC 100% backward-compatible with the BASIC that is in the Timex/Sinclair 1000? That is, if I were to type in a TS 1000 BASIC program that didn't use any machine language subroutines (if that's even possible to do from BASIC from the TS 1000), would it work?
No, while the TS2068 BASIC is a evolution of the TS1000 BASIC the syntax and keywords are slightly different as well as having some differences based on the hardware (like losing SLOW and FAST modes) and different graphic symbols. With a bit of effort many programs can be adapted for the newer machine though..
Also, can a TS2068 natively load TS 1000 programs from "tape," well, my computer's sound card?
The tape encoding schemes are quite different so you can’t directly load TS 1000 tapes into a TS2068. You could write a program to read the raw data but the programs would still need adapting.
Fred
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