Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

59 messages · 2015-08-02 → 2015-10-07 · Yahoo Group era · View archive on archive.org

Participants: Mark J. Blair, Al Hartman, alhartman6, Rod H, Eduardo Fuentes, Adam Trionfo, david, Senen Racki, nf6x, Don Dindang, Bill Loguidice, Russ Perry Jr., Luis Alberto D'Ardis, David Solly, Hatul ha-Zabad

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1. Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

alhartman6 · 02 Aug 2015 12:33:31 -

There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away from me.


 If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!


 You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.


 I need to win this cartridge.


 I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....


 -[ Al Hartman ]-
 (formerly of Zebra Systems)

2. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Rod H · Sun, 2 Aug 2015 13:34:

Al,

I see the bidding on the cart on ebay is now at $47.  
I'm not sure if that's you or the other guy.
BUT I'll lend you one of my OS-64 carts if I can get it back.  
And if you don't grump about the cost to ship it to you.

Rod

To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 12:33:31 -0700
Subject: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



























There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away from me.


If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!


You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.


I need to win this cartridge.


I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....


-[ Al Hartman ]-
(formerly of Zebra Systems)

3. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

alhartman6 · 02 Aug 2015 14:34:21 -

Whoever the idiot is that is bidding against me is... he can have it. 

 He keeps bidding the item up. It is now over $57 US. A ridiculous price. If he had let me win it at $25US he could have had one for $25.


 What a dope!


 -[ Al ]-

4. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

alhartman6 · 02 Aug 2015 14:35:15 -

What I want to do will be destructive to the cartridge, I will need to strip the cartridge to the bare board so I can scan it to replicate the artwork. 

 I'll be able to replace it with a new board afterwards, but your original won't be in any shape to be returned when I'm done with it.


 So, unless you're OK with that, I can't accept a loan of your board.


 -[ Al ]-

5. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Rod H · Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:53:

Well, as is said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...and the one".

Give me your address and I'll get it off to you.

[email]

To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:35:15 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


























      What I want to do will be destructive to the cartridge, I will need to strip the cartridge to the bare board so I can scan it to replicate the artwork.

I'll be able to replace it with a new board afterwards, but your original won't be in any shape to be returned when I'm done with it.
So, unless you're OK with that, I can't accept a loan of your board.
-[ Al ]-

6. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Sun, 02 Aug 2015 21:41

You wouldn't have the manual would you?


I might have the source to the manual in WordPerfect format, but I'm not 
sure...


-[ Al ]-

On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 08:53 PM, Rod H [email] [ts2068] 
wrote:












Well, as is said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the 
few...and the one".
Give me your address and I'll get it off to you.
[email]

To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 14:35:15 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...















 












       What I want to do will be destructive to the cartridge, I will 
need to strip the cartridge to the bare board so I can scan it to 
replicate the artwork.


I'll be able to replace it with a new board afterwards, but your 
original won't be in any shape to be returned when I'm done with it.


So, unless you're OK with that, I can't accept a loan of your board.


-[ Al ]-

7. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

nf6x · 03 Aug 2015 17:22:03 -

Hi, folks! Al contacted me about helping him with designing a new board to accept his OS-64 EPROMs. I have zero prior experience with any Timex-Sinclair machines so far, but I've done other similar projects before, such as this one for the TRS-80 Color Computer: 

 CoCoEPROMpak: A PCB for EPROMs in the TRS-80 Color Computer Cartridge Port » Mark's Tech Journal http://www.nf6x.net/2013/10/cocoeprompak/ 

 http://www.nf6x.net/2013/10/cocoeprompak/ 

 CoCoEPROMpak: A PCB for EPROMs in the TRS-80 Col... http://www.nf6x.net/2013/10/cocoeprompak/ I designed this printed circuit board (PCB) to allow regular 2732 through 27256 EPROM chips to be plugged into the cartridge expansion port of a TRS-80 ...



 View on www.nf6x.net http://www.nf6x.net/2013/10/cocoeprompak/ 
 Preview by Yahoo 







 Al plans to send me the loaner cartridge after he receives it, because I think there's a good chance that I'll be able to come up with a compatible (but obviously not identical) board design without needing to dismantle or destroy the cartridge. He pointed out a TS-2068 technical manual for me, as well as pictures of one side of an OS-64 cartridge without the vacuum formed cover. It looks like it's very simple, and I ought to be able to figure out the necessary circuit without needing to destroy the loaner cartridge in order to probe all of its nets. The resulting design will be open-source. I'll need to rely on others to test it out and tell me if it works, since I don't have a TS-2068 of my own. I'll still tear into the loaner cartridge if necessary, but I think it may not need to be sacrificed.


 I probably won't be buying a TS-2068 any time soon, because eBay and I have ended our long relationship due a disagreement over their new terms regarding telemarketing (i.e., they claim the right to do it to me, and I'm not having any of that). I wouldn't mind having one in my collection, though, so I figured I'd throw this out there: If somebody would like to give me a working-ish TS-2068, and one original TS-2068 cartridge with the original plastic housing (Al showed me pictures of TS-2068 cartridges with a sort of handle at one end), then in return, I'll design an even nicer cartridge PCB, along with an original-looking 3D-printable case design for it that folks could have printed by a service such as Shapeways. This would also be fully open-source. "Even nicer" is still subject to being defined, based on some intersection of what is practical vs. what TS-2068 people want. I don't know what a TS-2068 goes for or how rare they are, so somebody please clue me in if this idea is absurd. If anybody is interested in giving up a computer and a cartridge to cause this plastic design to become available, then please feel free to contact me. And if something like this already exists out there without my effort then that's fine, since I have plenty of other fun projects lined up already.


 Just for full disclosure, there's a good chance I'll wander away after finishing up this cartridge-related stuff, since I don't have prior history with the TS machines, and I may not become addicted to them (I tend to favor bigger things like VAXen). So, call this a drive-by designing. :)

8. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Eduardo Fuentes · Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:59:

Hi Al,
I was thinking you do not need to destroy an original cartridge. OS64's rom replaces ROM0 only.Any cartridge that allows ROM read and pulls down BE line for the first 16KB will OK.All this if you do not want to reproduce the original exactly.
Regards,Eduardo.      De: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 Para: [email] 
 Enviado: Domingo, 2 de agosto, 2015 16:33:31
 Asunto: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away from me.
If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!
You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.
I need to win this cartridge.
I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....
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9. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:05:

On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:59 , Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> I was thinking you do not need to destroy an original cartridge. OS64's rom replaces ROM0 only.
> Any cartridge that allows ROM read and pulls down BE line for the first 16KB will OK.
> All this if you do not want to reproduce the original exactly.


Looking at the pictures that Al shared with me, I see that the cartridge appears to have a 74LS138 1-of-8 decoder and an EPROM on it, and it appears to have a bunch of possible wire-jumper options. So, presumably the 74LS138 decodes eight 8k banks of address space, and the board would need to be strapped to map the EPROM into the lowest two banks of the address space, then? I should be able to make a board that accepts a few different EPROM sizes and allows them to be mapped to any desired 8k boundary with a few wire jumpers. I may need some help figuring out height constraints, though, because I've never touched a TS2068 or seen one in person. I gather from what I've read online that the TS2068 has some height constraints that were relaxed in the TC2068.



-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

10. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Thu, 06 Aug 2015 17:14

Mark thinks he will not need to take Rod's cartridge apart. But if he does, 
I will replace it with with a new one from the new batch we make.

I have ten OS-64 ROM chips, so we'll be able to make 10 new OS-64 
cartridges. I have some unidentified chips which may be some more OS-64 
Eproms, or can be erased to make more. I also hope to get a good image of a 
Spectrum ROM either from my own 48k Spectrum, if I can find it... or perhaps 
to buy a Spectrum ROM chip from someone. Then, I can test that the board 
will work with as a Spectrum Emulator as well.

I was hoping that Tom (the former technician of Zebra Systems) had some 
unbuilt ROM boards in a box, but he did not. He had a lot of the Wico 
Trackball boards, but those are useless without the trackballs to put them 
in.

As soon as Rod's cartridge gets here, I'll send it on to Mark. What Mark 
really needs is a TS-2068. I'm trying to find one for him. If I have to, 
I'll send him mine. But, I'd have to find my power adapter, and I'm not 
quite sure where it is right now. Can someone remind me what the voltage and 
tip polarity a 2068 power supply is?

-[ Al ]-

From: Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068]

Hi Al,

I was thinking you do not need to destroy an original cartridge. OS64's rom 
replaces ROM0 only.
Any cartridge that allows ROM read and pulls down BE line for the first 16KB 
will OK.
All this if you do not want to reproduce the original exactly.

Regards,
Eduardo.
De: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: Domingo, 2 de agosto, 2015 16:33:31
Asunto: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...




There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take 
it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 
cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away 
from me.


If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!


You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up 
this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to 
have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.


I need to win this cartridge.


I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to 
make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can 
also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....


-[ Al Hartman ]-
(formerly of Zebra Systems)

11. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Rod H · Thu, 6 Aug 2015 15:10:

"In for a penny ...in for a £"
Al,

I have a boxed 2068 with Bruno's name on it.  I don't think Bruno would mind if I lent his machine to Mark for a while for the common good.  I also have a cart that I opened some time ago "just to look inside" (States&Capitals) and I can send this along as well so Mark will know what a TS card looks like.

I also have a couple of Spectrum ROM chips and I'll send one to you.  I don't need it back.

If Mark wants the 2068 sent directly to him I'll need his address.

Rod

To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:14:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


























      Mark thinks he will not need to take Rod's cartridge apart. But if he does, 

I will replace it with with a new one from the new batch we make.



I have ten OS-64 ROM chips, so we'll be able to make 10 new OS-64 

cartridges. I have some unidentified chips which may be some more OS-64 

Eproms, or can be erased to make more. I also hope to get a good image of a 

Spectrum ROM either from my own 48k Spectrum, if I can find it... or perhaps 

to buy a Spectrum ROM chip from someone. Then, I can test that the board 

will work with as a Spectrum Emulator as well.



I was hoping that Tom (the former technician of Zebra Systems) had some 

unbuilt ROM boards in a box, but he did not. He had a lot of the Wico 

Trackball boards, but those are useless without the trackballs to put them 

in.



As soon as Rod's cartridge gets here, I'll send it on to Mark. What Mark 

really needs is a TS-2068. I'm trying to find one for him. If I have to, 

I'll send him mine. But, I'd have to find my power adapter, and I'm not 

quite sure where it is right now. Can someone remind me what the voltage and 

tip polarity a 2068 power supply is?



-[ Al ]-



From: Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068]



Hi Al,



I was thinking you do not need to destroy an original cartridge. OS64's rom 

replaces ROM0 only.

Any cartridge that allows ROM read and pulls down BE line for the first 16KB 

will OK.

All this if you do not want to reproduce the original exactly.



Regards,

Eduardo.

De: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>

Para: [email]

Enviado: Domingo, 2 de agosto, 2015 16:33:31

Asunto: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take 

it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 

cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away 

from me.



If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!



You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up 

this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to 

have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.



I need to win this cartridge.



I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to 

make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can 

also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....



-[ Al Hartman ]-

(formerly of Zebra Systems)

12. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Don Dindang · Thu, 6 Aug 2015 22:52:

if you guys need any help I can make a PCB for you.I don't need any thing.

      From: "Rod H [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 To: "[email]" <[email]> 
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:10 PM
 Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    "In for a penny ...in for a £"

Al,

I have a boxed 2068 with Bruno's name on it.  I don't think Bruno would mind if I lent his machine to Mark for a while for the common good.  I also have a cart that I opened some time ago "just to look inside" (States&Capitals) and I can send this along as well so Mark will know what a TS card looks like.

I also have a couple of Spectrum ROM chips and I'll send one to you.  I don't need it back.

If Mark wants the 2068 sent directly to him I'll need his address.

Rod



To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 17:14:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

     Mark thinks he will not need to take Rod's cartridge apart. But if he does, 
I will replace it with with a new one from the new batch we make.

I have ten OS-64 ROM chips, so we'll be able to make 10 new OS-64 
cartridges. I have some unidentified chips which may be some more OS-64 
Eproms, or can be erased to make more. I also hope to get a good image of a 
Spectrum ROM either from my own 48k Spectrum, if I can find it... or perhaps 
to buy a Spectrum ROM chip from someone. Then, I can test that the board 
will work with as a Spectrum Emulator as well.

I was hoping that Tom (the former technician of Zebra Systems) had some 
unbuilt ROM boards in a box, but he did not. He had a lot of the Wico 
Trackball boards, but those are useless without the trackballs to put them 
in.

As soon as Rod's cartridge gets here, I'll send it on to Mark. What Mark 
really needs is a TS-2068. I'm trying to find one for him. If I have to, 
I'll send him mine. But, I'd have to find my power adapter, and I'm not 
quite sure where it is right now. Can someone remind me what the voltage and 
tip polarity a 2068 power supply is?

-[ Al ]-

From: Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068]

Hi Al,

I was thinking you do not need to destroy an original cartridge. OS64's rom 
replaces ROM0 only.
Any cartridge that allows ROM read and pulls down BE line for the first 16KB 
will OK.
All this if you do not want to reproduce the original exactly.

Regards,
Eduardo.
De: "[email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
Para: [email]
Enviado: Domingo, 2 de agosto, 2015 16:33:31
Asunto: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

There's a Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on eBay that I'm trying to win so I can take 
it apart to make new blank boards for Spectrum Emulators and new OS-64 
cartridges, but someone else keeps bidding it up and trying to take it away 
from me.

If that person is a list member, please STOP!!!!

You could have had an OS-64 cartridge for about $25.00, except you've bid up 
this one to $35.00. And if you take this one away from me, you won't get to 
have a Spectrum emulator cartridge.

I need to win this cartridge.

I have a bunch of leftover OS-64 chips from Zebra, all I need to do is to 
make up new boards to put them in. And, once I make up these boards, you can 
also put Spectrum ROMs on them to make Spectrum Emulator cartridges....

-[ Al Hartman ]-
(formerly of Zebra Systems)


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13. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Thu, 6 Aug 2015 18:21:

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 15:10, Rod H [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> 
> "In for a penny ...in for a £"
> 
> Al,
> 

> I have a boxed 2068 with Bruno's name on it.  I don't think Bruno would mind if I lent his machine to Mark for a while for the common good.  I also have a cart that I opened some time ago "just to look inside" (States&Capitals) and I can send this along as well so Mark will know what a TS card looks like.


Thanks! I'll be able to do a better job without needing to guess at the cartridge slot physical constraints.




-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

14. Re: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

david · 07 Aug 2015 06:44:01 -

Hi Mark and Al,

The 2068 Technical Manual has art for a board that can hold 4 27128s. It uses a different chip from the OS-64 cart to enable and select the eprom but the board art might help a little:
http://www.timexsinclair.org/unsorted/ts2068tm.pdf http://www.timexsinclair.org/unsorted/ts2068tm.pdf

It's around pdf page 120 (page #112). 

Mechanical/electrical details of the cartridge slot are around pdf page 66 (page #58).

Best,
David

15. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Fri, 7 Aug 2015 07:58:

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 06:44, [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mark and Al,


Thank you. I have seen those, and they are informative and helpful.


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

16. Re: [ts2068] Re: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Fri, 07 Aug 2015 11:27

That was the first thing I sent Mark, and what we used to make the OS-64 
cartridge originally. I think Stewart used a different chip because it was 
less expensive, or we had them for a different board we were making.

-[ Al ]-

From: [email] [ts2068]

Hi Mark and Al,

The 2068 Technical Manual has art for a board that can hold 4 27128s. It 
uses a different chip from the OS-64 cart to enable and select the eprom but 
the board art might help a little:
http://www.timexsinclair.org/unsorted/ts2068tm.pdf

It's around pdf page 120 (page #112).

Mechanical/electrical details of the cartridge slot are around pdf page 66 
(page #58).

Best,
David

17. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

alhartman6 · 11 Aug 2015 06:27:47 -

The cartridge I tried to win on eBay is now up to $66.00. Boy is the bidder going to be upset when he or she eventually finds out they overpaid by 3x or more because they didn't let me have it for $25.00...

So stupid.

I can't wait to see what the final price turns out to be.

The seller is a greedy guy, and is probably very happy at what he's getting for the auction.

-[ Al ]-

18. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 08:46

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 06:27, [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> The cartridge I tried to win on eBay is now up to $66.00. Boy is the bidder going to be upset when he or she eventually finds out they overpaid by 3x or more because they didn't let me have it for $25.00...


If it's up to $66, then that means that at least two people think that it's worth more than $25 to them: The currently winning bidder, and the second-place bidder who bid one increment less than $66.


> The seller is a greedy guy, and is probably very happy at what he's getting for the auction.


How is the seller greedy because two other people are bidding against each other in the seller's auction?


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

19. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Bill Loguidice · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:09

Yeah, unfortunately for us long-time collectors, the value of most retro
computing and videogame items has shot up dramatically. We can no longer
guarantee knowing the value of much of anything anymore on the open market.
With that said, pricing in the 2068 niche is still generally lower than it
is in some of the other communities where there have been even bigger jumps.


-Bill


========================================================
Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc.
<http://www.armchairarcade.com>
========================================================
Authored Books
<http://www.amazon.com/Bill-Loguidice/e/B001U7W3YS/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_1> and
Film <http://www.armchairarcade.com/film>; About me and other ways to get
in touch <http://about.me/billloguidice>
========================================================


On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 11:46 AM, 'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068] <
[email]> wrote:


>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 11, 2015, at 06:27, [email] [ts2068] <
> [email]> wrote:
> >
> > The cartridge I tried to win on eBay is now up to $66.00. Boy is the
> bidder going to be upset when he or she eventually finds out they overpaid
> by 3x or more because they didn't let me have it for $25.00...
>
> If it's up to $66, then that means that at least two people think that
> it's worth more than $25 to them: The currently winning bidder, and the
> second-place bidder who bid one increment less than $66.
>
> > The seller is a greedy guy, and is probably very happy at what he's
> getting for the auction.
>
> How is the seller greedy because two other people are bidding against each
> other in the seller's auction?
>
> --
> Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
> http://www.nf6x.net/
>
>
>

20. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:13

It ain't over till it's over...

I'm sure we'll all get a chuckle at what it eventually goes for. I'll post 
the final price when the auction completes. I gotta send Stewart the link, 
he'll get a laugh!

-[ Al ]-

From: Bill Loguidice [email] [ts2068]

Yeah, unfortunately for us long-time collectors, the value of most retro 
computing and videogame items has shot up dramatically. We can no longer 
guarantee knowing the value of much of anything anymore on the open market. 
With that said, pricing in the 2068 niche is still generally lower than it 
is in some of the other communities where there have been even bigger jumps.

-Bill

========================================================
Bill Loguidice, Managing Director; Armchair Arcade, Inc.
========================================================
Authored Books and Film; About me and other ways to get in touch
========================================================

21. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Adam Trionfo · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 10:33

Bill Loguidice wrote:
>>
unfortunately for us long-time collectors, the value of most retro computing and videogame items has shot up dramatically
>>


Yes, I've noticed that many item's prices have shot up quite a bit over the years.  Many common items have remained relatively stable, but I think the days when anyone could hope to collect every single cartridge for a system are long gone (and have been for quite a few years).  I never understood that thought process anyway.  Who can use all that stuff?

22. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10

$66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 
$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 
comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.

-[ Al ]-

From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]

The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 
niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 
be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 
to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 
paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 
of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 
So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 
perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 
have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 
couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 
less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 
If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 
modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?

(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 
never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)

Adam

23. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Adam Trionfo · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17

>>













































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...














































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 


$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 


comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.







-[ Al ]-






From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]






The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 


niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 



be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 


to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 


paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 


of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 


So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 


perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 


have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 


couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 


less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 


If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 


modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?






(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 


never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)






Adam

24. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:45

The original retail price 30 years ago has zero relevance to the going rate for vintage collectable items, and functionally compatible modern production items are not necessarily interesting to collectors. The original cartridges and any new ones we make are two distinctly different things. $66 may be more than you or I am willing to pay for the original cart, but the cart is worth exactly as much as the winning bidder is willing to pay; no more and no less. 




>

25. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Rod H · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57

Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.


So who did you say wanted to buy these?


From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



















































>>



















































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
















































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 


$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 


comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.






-[ Al ]-






From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]






The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 


niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 


be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 


to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 


paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 


of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 


So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 


perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 


have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 


couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 


less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 


If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 


modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?






(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 


never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)






Adam

26. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 17:07

OK people... the auction ended at $66.00 including Free Economy shipping. As 
we say in Brooklyn, "Such a deal!"

- [ Al ] -

27. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Adam Trionfo · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14

>>
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
>>

The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.

>>
Back
 in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter
 we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a
 huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
>>

Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).

Adam


From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...





























Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.

So who did you say wanted to buy these?

From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...















































>>


















































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>

Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.

A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.

Adam


To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...













































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 

$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 

comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.



-[ Al ]-



From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]



The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 

niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 

be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 

to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 

paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 

of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 

So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 

perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 

have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 

couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 

less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 

If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 

modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?



(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 

never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)



Adam

28. RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Rod H · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24

Adam,


All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.  There were many many user groups all over the US and Canada - some big some small.  I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.  No sense reinventing the wheel when someone else did it.


One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.


To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



















































>>
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
>>


The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.


>>
Back
 in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter
 we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a

 huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
>>


Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).


Adam




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



















































Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.


So who did you say wanted to buy these?


From: [email]

To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...























































































>>































































































































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...




















































































































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 


$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 


comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.






-[ Al ]-






From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]






The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 


niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 


be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 


to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 


paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 


of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 


So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 


perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 


have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 


couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 


less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 


If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 


modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?






(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 


never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)







Adam

29. Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Adam Trionfo · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:29

>>
All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.
>>



I suppose that most of these newsletters were for the Timex 1000 and 1500, right?  Or did the 2068 catch on quite a bit in the Timex/Sinclair groups?  How large was the group that you belonged to in the 1980s?  How about when it started and when it disbanded (figuring you were in it from the beginning to the end)?  I look at the Spectrum sometimes and I can't help but wonder in amazement at how different the home computer markets were between the U.S. and England. 


>>
I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of 
collective knowledge
>>


It's amazing how much information these can hold.  I have some information in my Astrocade collection concerning systems that were never even released in the U.S.  As far as I'm aware, I have many unique items of this sort.  (Note, I don't have the systems themselves, just information about them that I've not seen anywhere else).  I've scanned all my collection and it's stored on my computer (and backed-up elsewhere).  Getting it all the information online is another story.


>>
it was always my intent to one day scan and 
archive all the good stuff they contained.
>>


Getting everything online is why I've been debating with myself-- and talking with some other Bally Arcade/Astrocade users (in private)-- about whether to add my personal collection scans to Archive.org.  I've pretty-much decided to put it all up there and let people sort through it at their leisure.  I can add it to my BallyAlley.com website whenever I please.


>>
One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
>>


Yeah, it's hard to get started on these projects.  I used to be very particular about it all (especially scan quality).  Now I see that just getting it online in SOME format is better than not at all.  Give it some thought, buy a cheap sheet-fed scanner and give it a go.  Even if you just back it up for yourself, then you'll have tons of neat memories that you can recall upon and, perhaps, share with others.


Adam






One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



















































Adam,


All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.  There were many many user groups all over the US and Canada - some big some small.  I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.  No sense reinventing the wheel when someone else did it.


One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.


To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
























































































>>
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
>>


The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.


>>
Back
 in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter
 we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a
 huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
>>


Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).


Adam




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...























































































Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.


So who did you say wanted to buy these?


From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

































































































































































>>

























































































































































































































































































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...





























































































































































































































































































      $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 


$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 


comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.






-[ Al ]-






From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]






The 2068 was never common.  Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 


niche kept its prices low.  Most home computer systems have passed, or will 


be passing, the thirty-years-old mark.  If you compare the 1983 list price 


to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 


paying.  The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95.  Supposedly, with the price 


of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 


So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 


perspective.  Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 


have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 


couple of hundred dollars is reasonable.  Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 


less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 


If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 


modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?






(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side.  I 


never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)






Adam

30. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Russ Perry Jr. · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 22:17

On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Rod H [email] [ts2068] wrote:
> Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!

Not necessarily...  The more nostalgia for the subject, the more you
can probably get, but some...  Note that Adam didn't say that anyone
BOUGHT the copy of his zine going for that much.

> Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group
> newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.
> I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.

Like Adam followed up later, it would be awesome if you could archive
these, or even donate them.  I have a mild interest in them, but not
enough to make you rich.

On Aug 11, 2015, at 4:24 PM, Rod H [email] [ts2068] wrote:
> I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective
> knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive
> all the good stuff they contained.


Possibly, could you at least list what titles you have, and what dates
(and/or volume/issue numbers) you have?  That alone could be helpful
for others to begin tracking things down.
-- 
//*==================================================================++
||  Russ Perry Jr  2175 S Tonne Dr #114  Arlington Heights IL 60005  ||
||  847-952-9729   VIDEOGAME COLLECTOR!   [email]  ||
++==================================================================*//

31. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:54

If you need help with scanning and archiving, Jason Scott of archive.org <http://archive.org/> might be able to lend a hand. He intends to archive everything. Literally! And he's making good progress on that so far.


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email] <mailto:[email]>>
http://www.nf6x.net/ <http://www.nf6x.net/>

32. Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Senen Racki · Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:18

I have a stash of old newsletters from the Toronto Timex/Sinclair User Group.  It was a very active group back in the day, with lots of knowledgable members.  I’m sure the information in those newsletters would be a valuable asset to the community.  I suppose I could upload it to archive.org like some others have done (see https://archive.org/details/ts-2068-update), but I’m open to suggestions.  Either way, nothing will happen quickly as the material must first be scanned - but at least it’s on the To-Do list.  I’m open to suggestions.


Senen.






> On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> 
> >>
> All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.
> >>
> 
> I suppose that most of these newsletters were for the Timex 1000 and 1500, right?  Or did the 2068 catch on quite a bit in the Timex/Sinclair groups?  How large was the group that you belonged to in the 1980s?  How about when it started and when it disbanded (figuring you were in it from the beginning to the end)?  I look at the Spectrum sometimes and I can't help but wonder in amazement at how different the home computer markets were between the U.S. and England. 
> 
> >>
> I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge
> >>
> 
> It's amazing how much information these can hold.  I have some information in my Astrocade collection concerning systems that were never even released in the U.S.  As far as I'm aware, I have many unique items of this sort.  (Note, I don't have the systems themselves, just information about them that I've not seen anywhere else).  I've scanned all my collection and it's stored on my computer (and backed-up elsewhere).  Getting it all the information online is another story.
> 
> >>
> it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.
> >>
> 
> Getting everything online is why I've been debating with myself-- and talking with some other Bally Arcade/Astrocade users (in private)-- about whether to add my personal collection scans to Archive.org <http://archive.org/>.  I've pretty-much decided to put it all up there and let people sort through it at their leisure.  I can add it to my BallyAlley.com <http://ballyalley.com/> website whenever I please.
> 
> >>
> One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
> >>
> 
> Yeah, it's hard to get started on these projects.  I used to be very particular about it all (especially scan quality).  Now I see that just getting it online in SOME format is better than not at all.  Give it some thought, buy a cheap sheet-fed scanner and give it a go.  Even if you just back it up for yourself, then you'll have tons of neat memories that you can recall upon and, perhaps, share with others.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
> One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
> 
> 
> From: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> To: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:45 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Adam,
> 
> All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.  There were many many user groups all over the US and Canada - some big some small.  I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.  No sense reinventing the wheel when someone else did it.
> 
> One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
> 
> To: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> From: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14:08 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
> 
>  
> 
> >>
> Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
> >>
> 
> The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org <http://archive.org/>).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.
> 
> >>
> Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
> >>
> 
> Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> From: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> To: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
> 
>  
> 
> Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
> 
> Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
> 
> So who did you say wanted to buy these?
> 
> From: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> To: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
> Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
> 
>  
> 
> >>
> $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
> >>
> 
> Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.
> 
> A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com <http://orphanedgames.com/> webpage.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> To: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> From: [email] <mailto:[email]>
> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
> Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...
> 
>  
> $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 
> $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 
> comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.
> 
> -[ Al ]-
> 
> From: Adam Trionfo [email] <mailto:[email]> [ts2068]
> 
> The 2068 was never common. Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 
> niche kept its prices low. Most home computer systems have passed, or will 
> be passing, the thirty-years-old mark. If you compare the 1983 list price 
> to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 
> paying. The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95. Supposedly, with the price 
> of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 
> So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 
> perspective. Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 
> have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 
> couple of hundred dollars is reasonable. Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 
> less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 
> If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 
> modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?
> 
> (I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side. I 
> never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)
> 
> Adam 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

33. RE: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Adam Trionfo · Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:09

Senen wrote:
>>
I suppose I could upload it
 to archive.org like some others have done (see https://archive.org/details/ts-2068-update),
>>


That's for that link to the "Update! ComputerSystems" newslettes.  (I had never heard of these before).  I started to look through the issues and I'm just amazed.  The last issue, from 1996, is 54 pages long and has some really neat articles.  What a wonderful resource.  That's been bookmarked and I'll have to check it out in more detail later.  Since I like the Bally Arcade, I've always had a soft place in my heart for any Z80 computers, and the Timex/Sinclair systems I no exception to that rule.


>>
at least [scanning and archiving the newsletters is] on the To-Do 
list.
>>


I wish to-do lists helped me.  I make them and I'll SOMETIMES do what I write on them.  What I need is a list called "to-do-on-my-to-do list" list.  What a mouthful.  No wonder I don't have one of those already.


Adam




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:18:07 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...















































I have a stash of old newsletters from the Toronto Timex/Sinclair User Group.  It was a very active group back in the day, with lots of knowledgable members.  I’m sure the information in those newsletters would be a valuable asset to the community.  I suppose I could upload it to archive.org like some others have done (see https://archive.org/details/ts-2068-update), but I’m open to suggestions.  Either way, nothing will happen quickly as the material must first be scanned - but at least it’s on the To-Do list.  I’m open to suggestions.
Senen.




On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:>>
All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.
>>


I suppose that most of these newsletters were for the Timex 1000 and 1500, right?  Or did the 2068 catch on quite a bit in the Timex/Sinclair groups?  How large was the group that you belonged to in the 1980s?  How about when it started and when it disbanded (figuring you were in it from the beginning to the end)?  I look at the Spectrum sometimes and I can't help but wonder in amazement at how different the home computer markets were between the U.S. and England. 


>>
I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge
>>


It's amazing how much information these can hold.  I have some information in my Astrocade collection concerning systems that were never even released in the U.S.  As far as I'm aware, I have many unique items of this sort.  (Note, I don't have the systems themselves, just information about them that I've not seen anywhere else).  I've scanned all my collection and it's stored on my computer (and backed-up elsewhere).  Getting it all the information online is another story.


>>
it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.
>>


Getting everything online is why I've been debating with myself-- and talking with some other Bally Arcade/Astrocade users (in private)-- about whether to add my personal collection scans to Archive.org.  I've pretty-much decided to put it all up there and let people sort through it at their leisure.  I can add it to my BallyAlley.com website whenever I please.


>>
One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
>>


Yeah, it's hard to get started on these projects.  I used to be very particular about it all (especially scan quality).  Now I see that just getting it online in SOME format is better than not at all.  Give it some thought, buy a cheap sheet-fed scanner and give it a go.  Even if you just back it up for yourself, then you'll have tons of neat memories that you can recall upon and, perhaps, share with others.


Adam






One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...




Adam,


All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.  There were many many user groups all over the US and Canada - some big some small.  I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.  No sense reinventing the wheel when someone else did it.


One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.


To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



>>
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
>>


The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.


>>
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
>>


Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).


Adam




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.


So who did you say wanted to buy these?


From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...



>>
$66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 
$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 
comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.


-[ Al ]-


From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]


The 2068 was never common. Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 
niche kept its prices low. Most home computer systems have passed, or will 
be passing, the thirty-years-old mark. If you compare the 1983 list price 
to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 
paying. The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95. Supposedly, with the price 
of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 
So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 
perspective. Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 
have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 
couple of hundred dollars is reasonable. Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 
less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 
If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 
modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?


(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side. I 
never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)


Adam

34. Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Eduardo Fuentes · Wed, 12 Aug 2015 18:56

I was looking at https://archive.org/details/ts-2068-updateExcellent magazines, I've downloaded all 37 files. Start reading....


      De: "Senen Racki [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 Para: [email] 
 Enviado: Miércoles, 12 de agosto, 2015 13:18:07
 Asunto: Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    I have a stash of old newsletters from the Toronto Timex/Sinclair User Group.  It was a very active group back in the day, with lots of knowledgable members.  I’m sure the information in those newsletters would be a valuable asset to the community.  I suppose I could upload it to archive.org like some others have done (see https://archive.org/details/ts-2068-update), but I’m open to suggestions.  Either way, nothing will happen quickly as the material must first be scanned - but at least it’s on the To-Do list.  I’m open to suggestions.
Senen.










On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:29 PM, Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:


>>
All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.
>>


I suppose that most of these newsletters were for the Timex 1000 and 1500, right?  Or did the 2068 catch on quite a bit in the Timex/Sinclair groups?  How large was the group that you belonged to in the 1980s?  How about when it started and when it disbanded (figuring you were in it from the beginning to the end)?  I look at the Spectrum sometimes and I can't help but wonder in amazement at how different the home computer markets were between the U.S. and England. 


>>
I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge
>>


It's amazing how much information these can hold.  I have some information in my Astrocade collection concerning systems that were never even released in the U.S.  As far as I'm aware, I have many unique items of this sort.  (Note, I don't have the systems themselves, just information about them that I've not seen anywhere else).  I've scanned all my collection and it's stored on my computer (and backed-up elsewhere).  Getting it all the information online is another story.


>>
it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.
>>


Getting everything online is why I've been debating with myself-- and talking with some other Bally Arcade/Astrocade users (in private)-- about whether to add my personal collection scans to Archive.org.  I've pretty-much decided to put it all up there and let people sort through it at their leisure.  I can add it to my BallyAlley.com website whenever I please.


>>
One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.
>>


Yeah, it's hard to get started on these projects.  I used to be very particular about it all (especially scan quality).  Now I see that just getting it online in SOME format is better than not at all.  Give it some thought, buy a cheap sheet-fed scanner and give it a go.  Even if you just back it up for yourself, then you'll have tons of neat memories that you can recall upon and, perhaps, share with others.


Adam






One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:45 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 


Adam,


All the newsletters we exchanged with were also put out by TS groups.  There were many many user groups all over the US and Canada - some big some small.  I've always viewed these newsletters as a store of collective knowledge and it was always my intent to one day scan and archive all the good stuff they contained.  No sense reinventing the wheel when someone else did it.


One day I have to get organized.  Maybe tomorrow.


To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:14:08 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 
>>
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!! [So who did you say wanted to buy these?]
>>


The audience for these is pretty small, but I'm sure if you put them on ebay that they would sell quickly.  Please, scan them first and archive them (perhaps on archive.org).  I find that newsletters are some of the most interesting ways to read about older computers, especially those in the 1970s.


>>
Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.
>>


Newsletters are much rarer than the classic magazines.  Many of them (most of them?) have not been archived in any way.  Usually the newsletters had just a tiny circulation (a few hundred, at most-- although there are notable exceptions).  Are any of these newsletter related to the Timex/Sinclair machines?  What other newsletters do you have?  (I'm not looking to buy them, I'm just curious because I view them as the Internet/BBS's of their time).


Adam




From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 
Old newsletters are worth money??  Holy moley I'm rich!!


Back in the day when I was editor for the Vancouver area TS group newsletter we exchanged newsletters with all the other user groups.  I still have a huge mass of old newsletters from all these groups.


So who did you say wanted to buy these?


From: [email]
To: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:17:48 -0700
Subject: RE: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 
>>
$66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for $19.95 (I think... in the late 80's)
>>


Oh, I see.  I'm even less surprised then about the cost of rare cartridges.  They often cost more than then system.  In the case of the 2068, every cartridge is rare, anything that is third-party would be even more rare, and therefore more expensive.  I don't like it, but that's the way it is for anything that sells between individuals.  Stuff costs money.  I guess if no one else wanted that cart, then it wouldn't sell and you'd have gotten a deal.


A few years ago I saw one of my early newsletters from 1994 ("Orphaned Computers & Game Systems") for sale for $30 on Ebay.  It originally cost a buck (including shipping).  I wasn't bothered by it, but I did find it amusing, especially since all of that content is available on the orphanedgames.com webpage.


Adam




To: [email]
From: [email]
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...


 $66.00 isn't for a system. It's for a cartridge that we used to sell for 
$19.95 (I think... in the late 80's) and may be able to sell for a 
comparable price again depending on how much new boards will cost.


-[ Al ]-


From: Adam Trionfo [email] [ts2068]


The 2068 was never common. Heck, it's quite uncommon, but usually its small 
niche kept its prices low. Most home computer systems have passed, or will 
be passing, the thirty-years-old mark. If you compare the 1983 list price 
to today's prices then it becomes a little more clear how much you're 
paying. The Timex 2068 list price was $199.95. Supposedly, with the price 
of inflation taken into account, that would be about $480 in 2015 dollars. 
So, $66 (or around there) seems like a bargain when you look at it from that 
perspective. Plus, if you want the system, and expect to use it (not just 
have it sit on a shelf as a trophy), then any computer or console for a 
couple of hundred dollars is reasonable. Sure, who wouldn't want to pay 
less for these items, but those bargain basement prices have come and gone. 
If you get as much enjoyment out of a 2068 as others would get from, say, a 

modern game console, then you're really getting a bargain, right?


(I can't believe what I'm saying here; it's like I joined Dark Side. I 
never would have said anything like this even a few years ago.)


Adam 


















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35. Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

david · 13 Aug 2015 04:57:23 -

Hi all,

Looks like you stumbled across my little project... I'm still working on this. I've found these newsletters hidden away in the back corners of the internet and I've started putting them up on Archive so everyone can find them.

Here's what I have so far:
https://archive.org/details/ThePlotter https://archive.org/details/ThePlotter
https://archive.org/details/SincLink https://archive.org/details/SincLink

I've also uploaded a few issues of Timex Sinclair User. I need to scan more issues of that and re-upload them all as one collection, but you can find what I have so far here:
https://archive.org/details/@factus10 https://archive.org/details/@factus10 

And, if you didn't know already, someone else put Sync up:
https://archive.org/details/syncmagazine https://archive.org/details/syncmagazine   

 Best,
 David

36. Re: [ts2068] Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters; was: Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Senen Racki · Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:22

That’s great David!  You’ve already got quite a collection of SincLink issues online.  I’ll go through my stash and see if there’s any additional material that I can contribute from the early period.  


> On Aug 13, 2015, at 7:57 AM, [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> Here's what I have so far:
> https://archive.org/details/SincLink <https://archive.org/details/SincLink>

37. Re: Timex/Sinclair US & Canada Newsletters

david · 13 Aug 2015 10:32:09 -

That would be wonderful, Senen!

38. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Thu, 27 Aug 2015 18:48

Update time! Al and Rod generously loaned me some gear to look at, and I made a video of the unboxing for kicks:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsTdPh7ZJU

Then after linking to the video on Twitter, I found out that Paul Rickards has already prototyped a nice little EPROM + Kempston joystick interface card earlier this year:

https://twitter.com/paulrickards/status/635976577508069376

Paul says he's thinking of making assembled boards available, so I don't think there's any need for me to reinvent that wheel. He tested it out with a 27128 programmed with OS-64, so I think Al's OS-64 ROMs ought to work in it just fine. It doesn't support mask-programmed Spectrum ROMs with their slightly different pinout, but Paul tells me that Spectrum emulation really needs a patched image, anyway, rather than an original ROM.

I got as far as drawing up a first-draft schematic, but I haven't done any PCB layout. I'll pack the 2068 and ROMs back up this weekend to return them to Al and Rod.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

39. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Fri, 28 Aug 2015 16:41

thanks 4 share!!

:)



El 27/08/15 a las 22:48, 'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068] escibió:
>
> Update time! Al and Rod generously loaned me some gear to look at, and 
> I made a video of the unboxing for kicks:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTsTdPh7ZJU
>
> Then after linking to the video on Twitter, I found out that Paul 
> Rickards has already prototyped a nice little EPROM + Kempston 
> joystick interface card earlier this year:
>
> https://twitter.com/paulrickards/status/635976577508069376
>
> Paul says he's thinking of making assembled boards available, so I 
> don't think there's any need for me to reinvent that wheel. He tested 
> it out with a 27128 programmed with OS-64, so I think Al's OS-64 ROMs 
> ought to work in it just fine. It doesn't support mask-programmed 
> Spectrum ROMs with their slightly different pinout, but Paul tells me 
> that Spectrum emulation really needs a patched image, anyway, rather 
> than an original ROM.
>
> I got as far as drawing up a first-draft schematic, but I haven't done 
> any PCB layout. I'll pack the 2068 and ROMs back up this weekend to 
> return them to Al and Rod.
>
> -- 
> Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
> http://www.nf6x.net/
>
>

40. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:13

The hope is to be able to offer OS-64 an Spectrum Emulator Cartridges 
substantially more affordable than the $66.00 that the last one sold for 
on eBay.


At the very least, I'll sell you an OS-64 EPROM, and you can roll your 
own with Marks board.


Mark made a board for the Radio Shack Color Computer Community and it 
filled a void there, and he has kindly offered to make a similar board 
for the Timex Community.


This board will be able to be used for the OS-64 EPROMS I found, 
Spectrum Emulators, and even recreating hard to find 2068 cartridge 
games.


If Mark does the same with this board as he has done with the Coco 
board, you'll be able to order bare boards yourself and build them as 
you need them. They will be very simple and easy to make.


Stay tuned.


Now, I'm hoping someone will take on the Twisters and do the same with 
those.


-[ Al ]-

41. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Fri, 28 Aug 2015 22:48

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 18:13, Al Hartman [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> 
> The hope is to be able to offer OS-64 an Spectrum Emulator Cartridges substantially more affordable than the $66.00 that the last one sold for on eBay.

I think that is looking likely at this point.

> At the very least, I'll sell you an OS-64 EPROM, and you can roll your own with Marks board.

Since I'm making mine open-source(*), Al will also have the option of having some built himself in order to offer finished cartridges.

> Mark made a board for the Radio Shack Color Computer Community and it filled a void there, and he has kindly offered to make a similar board for the Timex Community.

For reference, here's the board:

Design files (Eagle PCB):
https://github.com/NF6X/CoCoEPROMpak

Orderable bare boards at OSH Park:
https://oshpark.com/projects/aMK1Ekos

In case you're not familiar with OSH Park, they're a PCB manufacturer who caters mostly to very small run prototype builds. They're very hobbyist friendly, though business users also use them (I've used them myself at work, for a little adapter board I needed).

They offer a neat feature called "shared projects". Once somebody uploads a design to OSH Park, they have the option of sharing the project so that anybody can order it. You order a shared project straight from OSH Park, and the creator of the project doesn't receive a cent or get any notification. It's not geared for business, obviously, but rather for sharing things with the community, and making it easy for others to order the bare boards without needing to know anything about PCB design or interacting with PCB manufacturers as a designer. It's a really cool option for community projects like this one.

> If Mark does the same with this board as he has done with the Co co board, you'll be able to order bare boards yourself and build them as you need them. They will be very simple and easy to make.

That's my plan here! I'm sticking with through-hole construction. I actually prefer surface mount myself, but I know that there are many in the retrocomputing community who don't want to make the jump.


> Now, I'm hoping someone will take on the Twisters and do the same with those.

Somebody else will need to step up for this one! I don't have enough "skin in the game" to want to take this one on. I'd rather spend my time on Color Computer stuff at the moment.

(*) Ok, here's what I've come up with for my new plan. This will be open-source, "held for ransom":

1) I design the board. I'm at the schematic stage, ready to begin layout.

2) I'll make three prototypes for testing. There's a reason it will be three, having to do with esoteric details about OSH Park's manufacturing model. I could explain it, or you could pretend it's all arcane magic if that pleases you.

3) Once I'm confident it's working, I'll sell off the three prototypes to cover my direct expenses making them, as well as a small consideration for my time. Don't worry; it'll be latte money, not steak money. Far cheaper that my $150/hour consulting rate! :)

4) With the prototypes ransomed off, I'll put up the design files up on github. KiCad this time; I've switched to KiCad from Eagle since I made the CoCo board. I'll also put up a shared project on OSH Park.

Somewhere between steps 3 and 4, I'll send the loaned equipment back to Al and Rod.

How does that sound? Fair?

Oh, and there will probably be another amateurish YouTube movie in there somewhere, too.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

42. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Sun, 30 Aug 2015 17:45

Here's a little peek at my work in progress:

https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/638150335920377856 <https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/638150335920377856>

_,_._,___

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email] <mailto:[email]>>
http://www.nf6x.net/ <http://www.nf6x.net/>

43. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Al Hartman · Sun, 30 Aug 2015 21:34

Looks really great!

Can't wait to build some!!

-[ Al ]-

From: 'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068] 

Here's a little peek at my work in progress: 


https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/638150335920377856

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

44. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:03

Almost done...

https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/638230297872494592 <https://twitter.com/nf6x/status/638230297872494592>


> 
> 

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email] <mailto:[email]>>
http://www.nf6x.net/ <http://www.nf6x.net/>

45. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Mon, 31 Aug 2015 00:36

First prototypes ordered!

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email] <mailto:[email]>>
http://www.nf6x.net/ <http://www.nf6x.net/>

46. OS-64 Manual

Al Hartman · Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:38

Does anyone on the list have the manual to OS-64 that they can make a scan 
or a copy of and send to me?

I don't have one and really need it.

Thanks!

Al Hartman
Formerly of Zebra Systems

P.S.: Check out these Youtube Videos I posted of Zebra in it's heyday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtDG5cWmH8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awUonjY_jcs

Sorry for the poor quality, they were originally Betamax off the TV, copied 
to VHS and then converted to DVD.

47. Re: OS-64 Manual

david · 31 Aug 2015 18:28:51 -

Wow! Thank you, Al! These are great. I just came across an article about Sue Currier in Infoworld, talking about starting SoftSync.

48. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Tue, 15 Sep 2015 17:36

I got the bare boards today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYMBuVz32ZE


-- 
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http://www.nf6x.net/

49. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Eduardo Fuentes · Fri, 18 Sep 2015 22:00

Hi Mark,Excellent PCBs!!!.To start the ZX spectrum ROM cartridge you have to enter the following command
OUT 244,3
Take account of the special way that commands are wrote in all Sinclair machines.
To make an auto-start cartridge which replaces ROM0 you have to put a decoder that enables new rom for addresses 0 to 3FFF (A14 and A15 low) and put low BE line (to disable internal memory) at the same time.
Regads,Eduardo.      De: "'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 Para: [email] 
 Enviado: Martes, 15 de septiembre, 2015 21:36:45
 Asunto: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    I got the bare boards today!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYMBuVz32ZE

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

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50. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Fri, 18 Sep 2015 18:19

> On Sep 18, 2015, at 15:00 , Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Excellent PCBs!!!.

Thanks!


> To start the ZX spectrum ROM cartridge you have to enter the following command
> 
> OUT 244,3


I've tried that, and I just get the same screen garbage as if I try the same command without any ROM plugged in. Since Al was unable to read the ROM in an EPROM programmer, maybe the chip is damaged? I'll see if I can do some more debugging this weekend.

I'll also admit that I had to look at the manual to figure out how to enter the OUT command! :)

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

51. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Eduardo Fuentes · Mon, 21 Sep 2015 17:22 · 📎 1: file

Hi Mark,TS-2068 "Pluggable Eprom Cartridges" are AROS/LROS cartridges.
They never will auto-start a ZX spectrum ROM.If you want to start the cartridge using out 244,3 you have to map the eprom at 0-3fff address (pin 9 of 74LS155).
Attached is a schematic of an auto-start ZX spectrum emulator cartridge.
Looking at TS-2068 manual, your PCB can be modified easily to be a  ZX spectrum emulator.
1- Put a 3 pin jumper: center pin goes to pin 15 of 74LS155, right pin to pin 35 of edge connector (/ROSCS) and right pin to GND.2- Put a 2 pin jumper:  left pin to pin 9 of 74lS155 and right pin to pin 33 of edge connector (/BE)
To use normal cartridges move jumper 1 to the left side and open jumper 2To use ZX spectrum ROM move jumper 1 to the right side and close jumper 2
See the attached schematic, there are a diode and a resistor to protect the logic if other device at expansion port is using the line.
Regards,Eduardo.


      De: "'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 Para: [email] 
 Enviado: Viernes, 18 de septiembre, 2015 22:19:42
 Asunto: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 15:00 , Eduardo Fuentes [email] [ts2068] <[email]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mark,
> Excellent PCBs!!!.


Thanks!


> To start the ZX spectrum ROM cartridge you have to enter the following command
> 
> OUT 244,3


I've tried that, and I just get the same screen garbage as if I try the same command without any ROM plugged in. Since Al was unable to read the ROM in an EPROM programmer, maybe the chip is damaged? I'll see if I can do some more debugging this weekend.


I'll also admit that I had to look at the manual to figure out how to enter the OUT command! :)


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/


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52. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay... [1 Attachment]

Mark J. Blair · Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:52

I think that my card should be able to support a mask ROM in that manner with just jumper changes, but the specific ROM I have for testing may be bad. I didn't have a chance to work on debugging this weekend.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

53. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Mark J. Blair · Thu, 24 Sep 2015 19:18

I wired up that Spectrum ROM on a breadboard and found that it's not driving the data lines when it should be powered up and enabled. So, I'm just calling my TS2068 cartridge design "probably good" and releasing it!

https://github.com/NF6X/ts2068cart


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

54. Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

Eduardo Fuentes · Sat, 26 Sep 2015 02:47

Excellent work!!!
Downloading from github....
      De: "'Mark J. Blair' [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
 Para: [email] 
 Enviado: Jueves, 24 de septiembre, 2015 23:18:08
 Asunto: Re: [ts2068] Zebra OS-64 Cartridge on Ebay...

    I wired up that Spectrum ROM on a breadboard and found that it's not driving the data lines when it should be powered up and enabled. So, I'm just calling my TS2068 cartridge design "probably good" and releasing it!

https://github.com/NF6X/ts2068cart

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <[email]>
http://www.nf6x.net/

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55. Re: OS-64 Manual

David Solly · Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:04 · 📎 1: file

Hi Al...
I had a Zebra OS-64 manual that was so beaten up that I retyped the whole thing into a Word document which I then re-saved as PDF document. It is complete except for the memory map on the last page. You will find the PDF version attached to this message.
Hope this helps,
Zabad

56. Re: OS-64 Manual

alhartman6 · 29 Sep 2015 13:30:04 -

Any way to scan in that memory map so I can redraw it? 

 -[ Al ]-

57. Re: [ts2068] Re: OS-64 Manual [1 Attachment]

Senen Racki · Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:33

Great job!  Thanks for doing that.  I like the way you kept the period feel of the document with selective use of fonts.  Well done!

Senen.

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From: "David Solly [email] [ts2068]" <[email]>
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Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 20:04:51 
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Subject: [ts2068] Re: OS-64 Manual [1 Attachment]

Hi Al...
I had a Zebra OS-64 manual that was so beaten up that I retyped the whole thing into a Word document which I then re-saved as PDF document. It is complete except for the memory map on the last page. You will find the PDF version attached to this message.
Hope this helps,
Zabad

58. Re: OS-64 Manual

alhartman6 · 29 Sep 2015 13:38:40 -

I forgot to say thank you very much! 

 -[ Al ]-

59. Re: [ts2068] Re: OS-64 Manual

Hatul ha-Zabad · Wed, 7 Oct 2015 09:54:

Hi...


Sorry, I'm not ignoring you. The truth is that I have moved recently and 
still unpacking boxes. It may take awhile to locate the original OS-64 
manual. I'll scan and send you the missing page as soon as I locate it.


Zabad




On 2015-09-29 16:30, [email] [ts2068] wrote:
>
> Any way to scan in that memory map so I can redraw it?
>
>
> -[ Al ]-
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