ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

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Participants: M. Emrah Oral, Richard Atkinson, Timex, doidy1, johndraugr, Mark Martin, Bill Loguidice, fredm, Paolo Ferraris, Peter Lakatos, John Von Draugr, Luis Alberto D'Ardis

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1. Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions

johndraugr · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 02:50

Hello again Everyone. :)

  As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
won't mind doing so.

1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
find one today?

2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
usually go for?

3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
the 2068?

4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
who are doing projects for the 2068?

5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?

6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?

Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.


Thanks
John S Sozio
Yonkers, NY 
http://www.soznet.net/commodore

2. Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions

Mark Martin · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:24

1.  Larken for sure.  Not sure if there was one other.
Good luck finding it.  I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8 years
on eBay..

2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom.  You JUST missed 2 or 3 in a row
on eBay.

3.  Not sure.  timexsinclair.org?

4. Not sure.  See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is supposed in
include IDE...
http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga
I don't know the status of the project.  Been meaning to email him myself.

5.  Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100.  For a working non-boxed on,
you could probably find for $50 give or take $20.  All on eBay.  I see
average
proably 1 or 2/month.

6.  Yes.  A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert that to
a RS232
device.

I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)

On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email]> wrote:
>
>   Hello again Everyone. :)
>
> As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> won't mind doing so.
>
> 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> find one today?
>
> 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> usually go for?
>
> 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> the 2068?
>
> 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> who are doing projects for the 2068?
>
> 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
>
> 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
>
> Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
>
> Thanks
> John S Sozio
> Yonkers, NY
> http://www.soznet.net/commodore
>
>  
>



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3. Rare thing in the US. Own a ZX Spectrum 128K !

M. Emrah Oral · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:17

Guys I've just noticed that there is a ZX Spectrum on Ebay and it is located in the USA! I thought the Timex 2068 guys here, especially those who are interested in buying ZX Spectrum emulator cartridges might be interested.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Sinclair-ZX-Spectrum-2-128K-system-w-15-games_W0QQitemZ150082673809QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Mark Martin <[email]> wrote:                                  1.  Larken for sure.  Not sure if there was one other.
Good luck finding it.  I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8 years 
on eBay..

2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom.  You JUST missed 2 or 3 in a row on eBay. 

3.  Not sure.  timexsinclair.org?

4. Not sure.  See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is supposed in include IDE...
 http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga
I don't know the status of the project.  Been meaning to email him myself.

5.  Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100.  For a working non-boxed on,
 you could probably find for $50 give or take $20.  All on eBay.  I see average
proably 1 or 2/month.

6.  Yes.  A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert that to a RS232
device.

I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :) 


On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email]> wrote:                                    Hello again Everyone. :)

 As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
 on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
 won't mind doing so.

 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
 find one today?

 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
 requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
 difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
 usually go for?

 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
 main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
 on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
 a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
 the 2068?

 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
 or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
 community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
 IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
 and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
 with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
 efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
 monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
 who are doing projects for the 2068?

 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
 to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?

 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?

 Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.

 Thanks
 John S Sozio
 Yonkers, NY 
 http://www.soznet.net/commodore










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4. ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

M. Emrah Oral · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:50

Which one do you think is better a TS2068 or a ZX SPectrum 128K if they both had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068 had 128K RAM too, would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?


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5. RE: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Bill Loguidice · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 15:01

Throwing region aside, I think it's the clear choice is the ZX Spectrum +2.
You're guaranteed better compatibility with a vast amount of hardware and
software, compared to the limited selection and/or hack associated with a
hypothetical 128K TS2068.  Plus, the later ZX Spectrum's finally got a real
keyboard, something the TS2068 lacks.  As for the ZX Spectrum +2 not having
compatibility with the TS2068's software and peripherals?  There is nothing
on the TS2068 that qualifies as a must-have that is not already available in
some form on the other platform.

With that said, I still enjoy the TS2068 a great deal for what it is.
Luckily both systems can be enjoyed concurrently -- it's most definitely not
an either/or proposition.
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Armchair Arcade, Inc.
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had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068 had 128K RAM too,
would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?





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6. Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions

Timex · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:06

On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Mark Martin wrote:

> 1.  Larken for sure.  Not sure if there was one other.
> Good luck finding it.  I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8  
> years
> on eBay..

Timex of Portugal made the Timex FDD and the upgraded Timex FDD3000.  
Both were sold by Zebra Systems as Zebra FDD and Zebra FDD3000.

> 2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom.  You JUST missed 2 or 3  
> in a row on eBay.

Timex of Portugal made a cartridge for the Timex Computer 2068. It  
doesn't fit in the TS2068 slot. In the US, people made cartridges  
with a Spectrum ROM.

> 3.  Not sure.  timexsinclair.org?

For Sinclair Spectrum software -> worldofspectrum.org

> 4. Not sure.  See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is  
> supposed in include IDE...
> http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga
> I don't know the status of the project.  Been meaning to email him  
> myself.

Jarek made a lot of projects for Timex computers

> 5.  Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100.  For a working non- 
> boxed on,
> you could probably find for $50 give or take $20.  All on eBay.  I  
> see average
> proably 1 or 2/month.
>
> 6.  Yes.  A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert  
> that to a RS232
> device.

Timex Sinclair 2050 Modem. Timex of Portugal made a RS232 interface  
for Timex Computer 2048 (not Timex Sinclair 2048), it works with  
Timex Computer 2068 with Spectrum emulator cartridge. Timex FDD and  
Timex FDD3000 have 2 RS232 connectors.

Johnny Red, Portugal
http://timex.comboios.info


>
> I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)
>
> On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email]> wrote:
> Hello again Everyone. :)
>
> As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> won't mind doing so.
>
> 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> find one today?
>
> 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> usually go for?
>
> 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> the 2068?
>
> 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> who are doing projects for the 2068?
>
> 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
>
> 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
>
> Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
>
> Thanks
> John S Sozio
> Yonkers, NY
> http://www.soznet.net/commodore
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Born to the false world, the wanderer,
> Storyteller, The Pied Piper
> On a quest for immortality
> Gathering a troop to find the fantasy
> -- Nightwish

7. Re: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Timex · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:17

If we see by that way...
TS2068 is a 1983 computer.
ZX 128K is a 1986 computer and it didn't had a real keyboard too.
If a 128K Timex machine was on works it would be out before ZX 128K.
As ZX 128K +2 was even more recent and from Amstrad, it would not use  
a QL style keyboard.

I would pick up the Timex (as it would be done by Timex Portugal <-  
remember Timex Computer 3256?? No? It did existed!). And software?  
There is no software that cannot run on my Timex Computer 2068 using  
the Spectrum emulator cartridge :-) (48K software)

Johnny Red, Portugal

On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:01 PM, Bill Loguidice wrote:

> Throwing region aside, I think it's the clear choice is the ZX  
> Spectrum +2.  You're guaranteed better compatibility with a vast  
> amount of hardware and software, compared to the limited selection  
> and/or hack associated with a hypothetical 128K TS2068.  Plus, the  
> later ZX Spectrum's finally got a real keyboard, something the  
> TS2068 lacks.  As for the ZX Spectrum +2 not having compatibility  
> with the TS2068's software and peripherals?  There is nothing on  
> the TS2068 that qualifies as a must-have that is not already  
> available in some form on the other platform.
>
> With that said, I still enjoy the TS2068 a great deal for what it  
> is.  Luckily both systems can be enjoyed concurrently -- it's most  
> definitely not an either/or proposition.
> ======================================
> Bill Loguidice, Managing Director
> Armchair Arcade, Inc.
> (A PC Magazine Top 100 Website)
> ======================================
> http://www.armchairarcade.com
>
>
>
> From: [email] [mailto:[email]] On  
> Behalf Of M. Emrah   Oral
> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 2:51 PM
> To: [email]
> Subject: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068
>
>
> Which one do you think is better a TS2068 or a ZX SPectrum 128K if  
> they both had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068  
> had 128K RAM too, would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?
>
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8. Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions

doidy1 · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:27

John Oliger made a disk drive system for the TS2068.  He is still in 
business as far as I know.  At least he was about 7 years ago when I 
bought my system.  And I think I was the first in that many years to 
buy one!  He also had a serial port card for the system if I am not 
mistaken.


Luke

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On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Mark Martin wrote:

> 1.  Larken for sure.  Not sure if there was one other.
> Good luck finding it.  I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8  
> years
> on eBay..

Timex of Portugal made the Timex FDD and the upgraded Timex FDD3000.  
Both were sold by Zebra Systems as Zebra FDD and Zebra FDD3000.

> 2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom.  You JUST missed 2 or 3  
> in a row on eBay.

Timex of Portugal made a cartridge for the Timex Computer 2068. It  
doesn't fit in the TS2068 slot. In the US, people made cartridges  
with a Spectrum ROM.

> 3.  Not sure.  timexsinclair.org?

For Sinclair Spectrum software -> worldofspectrum.org

> 4. Not sure.  See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is  
> supposed in include IDE...
> http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga
> I don't know the status of the project.  Been meaning to email him  
> myself.

Jarek made a lot of projects for Timex computers

> 5.  Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100.  For a working non- 
> boxed on,
> you could probably find for $50 give or take $20.  All on eBay.  I  
> see average
> proably 1 or 2/month.
>
> 6.  Yes.  A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert  
> that to a RS232
> device.

Timex Sinclair 2050 Modem. Timex of Portugal made a RS232 interface  
for Timex Computer 2048 (not Timex Sinclair 2048), it works with  
Timex Computer 2068 with Spectrum emulator cartridge. Timex FDD and  
Timex FDD3000 have 2 RS232 connectors.

Johnny Red, Portugal
http://timex.comboios.info


>
> I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)
>
> On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email]> wrote:
> Hello again Everyone. :)
>
> As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> won't mind doing so.
>
> 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> find one today?
>
> 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> usually go for?
>
> 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> the 2068?
>
> 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> who are doing projects for the 2068?
>
> 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
>
> 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
>
> Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
>
> Thanks
> John S Sozio
> Yonkers, NY
> http://www.soznet.net/commodore
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Born to the false world, the wanderer,
> Storyteller, The Pied Piper
> On a quest for immortality
> Gathering a troop to find the fantasy
> -- Nightwish

9. Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions - John Oliger

John Von Draugr · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:57

Is there a way to contact John Oliger? I did a search on google, but 
only found some links to documents mentioning him.
Does he have a website or email address?

Thanks
John


[email] wrote:
>
> John Oliger made a disk drive system for the TS2068. He is still in
> business as far as I know. At least he was about 7 years ago when I
> bought my system. And I think I was the first in that many years to
> buy one! He also had a serial port card for the system if I am not
> mistaken.
>
> Luke
>
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> Subject:
> Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions
> From:
> "Johnny Red (Timex)" <[email]>
> Date:
> Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:06:43 +0000
> To:
> [email]
>
> To:
> [email]
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Mark Martin wrote:
>
> > 1. Larken for sure. Not sure if there was one other.
> > Good luck finding it. I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8
> > years
> > on eBay..
>
> Timex of Portugal made the Timex FDD and the upgraded Timex FDD3000.
> Both were sold by Zebra Systems as Zebra FDD and Zebra FDD3000.
>
> > 2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom. You JUST missed 2 or 3
> > in a row on eBay.
>
> Timex of Portugal made a cartridge for the Timex Computer 2068. It
> doesn't fit in the TS2068 slot. In the US, people made cartridges
> with a Spectrum ROM.
>
> > 3. Not sure. timexsinclair.org?
>
> For Sinclair Spectrum software -> worldofspectrum.org
>
> > 4. Not sure. See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is
> > supposed in include IDE...
> > http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga 
> <http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga>
> > I don't know the status of the project. Been meaning to email him
> > myself.
>
> Jarek made a lot of projects for Timex computers
>
> > 5. Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100. For a working non-
> > boxed on,
> > you could probably find for $50 give or take $20. All on eBay. I
> > see average
> > proably 1 or 2/month.
> >
> > 6. Yes. A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert
> > that to a RS232
> > device.
>
> Timex Sinclair 2050 Modem. Timex of Portugal made a RS232 interface
> for Timex Computer 2048 (not Timex Sinclair 2048), it works with
> Timex Computer 2068 with Spectrum emulator cartridge. Timex FDD and
> Timex FDD3000 have 2 RS232 connectors.
>
> Johnny Red, Portugal
> http://timex.comboios.info <http://timex.comboios.info>
>
> >
> > I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)
> >
> > On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email] 
> <mailto:johndraugr%40soznet.net>> wrote:
> > Hello again Everyone. :)
> >
> > As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> > on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> > won't mind doing so.
> >
> > 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> > find one today?
> >
> > 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> > requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> > difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> > usually go for?
> >
> > 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> > main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> > on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> > a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> > the 2068?
> >
> > 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> > or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> > community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> > IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> > and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> > with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> > efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> > monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> > who are doing projects for the 2068?
> >
> > 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> > to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
> >
> > 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
> >
> > Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John S Sozio
> > Yonkers, NY
> > http://www.soznet.net/commodore <http://www.soznet.net/commodore>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Born to the false world, the wanderer,
> > Storyteller, The Pied Piper
> > On a quest for immortality
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10. Re: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Richard Atkinson · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:32

This is an extremely good question to which I have a very long and detailed
reply. Executive summary: 128K TS2068.

I first used a Spectrum 16K in 1983 and received a Spectrum 48K for
Christmas in 1984. I used the 48K every day until 1986 when it broke, and my
father bought me a Spectrum 128. The rather unfortunate incident of my
Spectrum's voltage regulator blowing resulted in my receiving a then-new
Spectrum 128, so I was devastated and then very happy indeed in a short
space of time.

One of the big reasons why I was so happy was that the new Spectrum 128
contained a 'proper' sound chip, so my Spectrum games would at last have 3
channel tunes. Music on Spectrum games was already my favourite aspect of
the machine, so I knew the upgraded sound chip would lead to better and
better things, and indeed it did. Spectrum 128 games with their sound tracks
extended my interest in the machine much longer than would otherwise have
been the case. My Spectrum 128 lasted as my main computer until about 1992.
(when I had a brief flirtation with the Spectrum +3, which was doomed
because of the poor sound quality on this machine)

However Sinclair hadn't done anything about improving the graphics of the
Spectrum 48K, and this was a big disappointment. I had been seriously hoping
the new Spectrum would have an upgraded video mode over the original, as
well as the sound. (In fact it does have the second screen, which allows a
few new effects, but not a lot)

What I didn't know at the time was that the Timex Sinclair 2068 had been in
existence over in America since 1983, and it had improved graphics *and* the
AY-3-8912 sound chip. Had I known this, my disappointment with Sinclair
would probably have been even greater.

Anyway, back to the question. I really want a 128K Timex Sinclair 2068 which
can play my old Spectrum 128 games. To me, this is the 'ideal' Spectrum, the
one I would have wanted Sinclair to have produced all the way back in 1986.
It would play the tunes from Spectrum 128 games (e.g. the Magic Knight
series, Auf Wiedersehen Monty, Glider Rider, Neverending Story, Target
Renegade etc) and it would have the upgraded video modes ready to be
exploited by new software (i.e. software which would have been produced in
the UK from 1986 had Sinclair released such a machine)

My earlier post about patching Spectrum 128 ROMs and Timex Sinclair EXROMs
aims towards my eventual goal of having such a machine. I understand Jarek
and others have already made 128K upgrades for Timex Computer 2048s and
2068s; I would like to have a go at one of these upgrades and also one for
the much more common NTSC Timex Sinclair 2068.

Richard


On 1/23/07, M. Emrah Oral <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Which one do you think is better a TS2068 or a ZX SPectrum 128K if they
> both had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068 had 128K RAM
> too, would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?
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11. Re: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

fredm · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:09

Quoting Richard Atkinson <[email]>:
> Anyway, back to the question. I really want a 128K Timex Sinclair 2068 which
> can play my old Spectrum 128 games. To me, this is the 'ideal' Spectrum, the
> one I would have wanted Sinclair to have produced all the way back in 1986.
> It would play the tunes from Spectrum 128 games (e.g. the Magic Knight
> series, Auf Wiedersehen Monty, Glider Rider, Neverending Story, Target
> Renegade etc) and it would have the upgraded video modes ready to be
> exploited by new software (i.e. software which would have been produced in
> the UK from 1986 had Sinclair released such a machine)
>
> My earlier post about patching Spectrum 128 ROMs and Timex Sinclair EXROMs
> aims towards my eventual goal of having such a machine. I understand Jarek
> and others have already made 128K upgrades for Timex Computer 2048s and
> 2068s; I would like to have a go at one of these upgrades and also one for
> the much more common NTSC Timex Sinclair 2068.

Since your primary interest is based on the sound, it is worth mentioning that
most Spectrum 128K AY music is driven by interrupt routines which run at ~50Hz
on that machine. The TS2068 has ~60Hz interrupts and would require patches to
correct the rate of music playback.

I think the "best" Spectrum type computer based on parts from the era for
software compatiblity is probably a TC2068 (with 50Hz interrupts) and the
modifications for 128K RAM and Sinclair-compatible AY ports and the Spectrum SE
ROMs, though the lack of ability to lock out the extended RAM paging ports may
stop some older 48K software from working. Add a DivIDE interface for hard disk
access and you have a machine people would have killed for in 1984 ;)

These days it is hard to beat the reliability and flexibility of an emulated
environment IMHO, you get access to the software for all Sinclair-compatible
machines as well as limitless storage at a price that is cheaper that getting
and modifying the vintage hardware itself.

Fred

12. Re: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Paolo Ferraris · Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:32

M. Emrah Oral wrote:
> Which one do you think is better a TS2068 or a ZX SPectrum 128K if they 
> both had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068 had 128K RAM 
> too, would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?

It depends. If you want a (slightly) better system, I'd choose an 
expanded TS2068. But if compatibility is what matters the most, the 
choice goes to the ZX 128K.


-p

13. Re: [ts2068] Rare thing in the US. Own a ZX Spectrum 128K !

Peter Lakatos · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:07

Hi,

Don't forget that the ZX Spectrum 128K +2 has a PAL output instead of the
NTSC. You will need a PAL analog video monitor or a TV system capable to
show PAL broadcast.

Peter


On 1/23/07, M. Emrah Oral <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Guys I've just noticed that there is a ZX Spectrum on Ebay and it is
> located in the USA! I thought the Timex 2068 guys here, especially those who
> are interested in buying ZX Spectrum emulator cartridges might be
> interested.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sinclair-ZX-Spectrum-2-128K-system-w-15-games_W0QQitemZ150082673809QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>

14. [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Richard Atkinson · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:53

Hi Fred,

On 1/24/07, [email] < [email]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Since your primary interest is based on the sound, it is worth mentioning
> that
> most Spectrum 128K AY music is driven by interrupt routines which run at
> ~50Hz
> on that machine. The TS2068 has ~60Hz interrupts and would require patches
> to
> correct the rate of music playback.


Sound was my primary interest looking back, but video would be my primary
interest looking forward. An interesting question would be, which games can
be patched to use the extended colour attributes video mode?

Sound playing at a different speed on NTSC machines versus PAL machines is
something I'm familiar with from the 8 bit consoles, Commodore 64, Atari
800, etc. It would be quite interesting to hear those tunes played at the
NTSC speed.

I think the "best" Spectrum type computer based on parts from the era for
> software compatiblity is probably a TC2068 (with 50Hz interrupts) and the
> modifications for 128K RAM and Sinclair-compatible AY ports and the
> Spectrum SE
> ROMs, though the lack of ability to lock out the extended RAM paging ports
> may
> stop some older 48K software from working. Add a DivIDE interface for hard
> disk
> access and you have a machine people would have killed for in 1984 ;)


I agree about the TC2068 for this purpose, except for Spectrum SE ROMs. For
maximum compatibility, I want to use ROMs which are as close as possible to
the original Spectrum 128 ROMs. The Timex RAM paging at ports F4h and FFh
may cause compatibility problems with both 48K software and 128K software.
Part of the fun of using such a machine will be hunting out software which
doesn't work (and maybe even patching it in those rare cases!)


> These days it is hard to beat the reliability and flexibility of an
> emulated
> environment IMHO, you get access to the software for all
> Sinclair-compatible
> machines as well as limitless storage at a price that is cheaper that
> getting
> and modifying the vintage hardware itself.


Emulation and the internet are great for ensuring old software gets archived
and distributed, but the best thing about it for me is when you use your
PC's sound card to play a Spectrum tape file into the EAR port of a real
Spectrum and the game loads up on the real machine! (Usually more reliably
than it ever did coming from a cassette drive)

Richard

15. Re: [ts2068] Rare thing in the US. Own a ZX Spectrum 128K !

Richard Atkinson · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:59

Incidentally, as a long-time ZX Spectrum user in the UK, I have amassed a
large number of Spectrums (from 48K machines through to Spectrum +3s and
Spectrum +2As). I would be interested in obtaining some more Timex
Sinclair equipment, in exchange for sending Spectrums to the US.

E-mail me off-list if you're interested.

Richard

On 1/23/07, M. Emrah Oral <[email]> wrote:
>
>
> Guys I've just noticed that there is a ZX Spectrum on Ebay and it is
> located in the USA! I thought the Timex 2068 guys here, especially those who
> are interested in buying ZX Spectrum emulator cartridges might be
> interested.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sinclair-ZX-Spectrum-2-128K-system-w-15-games_W0QQitemZ150082673809QQihZ005QQcategoryZ1247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
>
> *Mark Martin <[email]>* wrote:
>
>  1.  Larken for sure.  Not sure if there was one other.
> Good luck finding it.  I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8 years
> on eBay..
>
> 2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom.  You JUST missed 2 or 3 in a
> row on eBay.
>
> 3.  Not sure.  timexsinclair.org?
>
> 4. Not sure.  See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is supposed in
> include IDE...
> http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga
> I don't know the status of the project.  Been meaning to email him myself.
>
> 5.  Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100.  For a working non-boxed on,
> you could probably find for $50 give or take $20.  All on eBay.  I see
> average
> proably 1 or 2/month.
>
> 6.  Yes.  A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert that
> to a RS232
> device.
>
> I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)
>
>
> On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email]> wrote:
> >
> >   Hello again Everyone. :)
> >
> > As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> > on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> > won't mind doing so.
> >
> > 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> > find one today?
> >
> > 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> > requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> > difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> > usually go for?
> >
> > 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> > main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> > on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> > a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> > the 2068?
> >
> > 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> > or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> > community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> > IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> > and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> > with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> > efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> > monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> > who are doing projects for the 2068?
> >
> > 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> > to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
> >
> > 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
> >
> > Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John S Sozio
> > Yonkers, NY
> > http://www.soznet.net/commodore
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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16. DivIDE versus iPod

M. Emrah Oral · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 05:10

OK, so I was about to buy the DivIDE unit now available on eBay... Then I thought to myself, my entire spectrum software archive is only about 1 gigabyte big and that includes almost every program in .z80 AND .tzx format. It all started with the WOS Spectrum CD I bought years ago (that's where the .z80s came from) Then few months ago I downloaded a large .RAR archive with 1000s of ZX Spectrum .tzx files. Every game I can think of.

Like Richard, I prefer running these programs on real Spectrums, not emulators. It just doesn't feel right when I use an emulator. So I was thinking of buying the DivIDE interface.. then I thought to myself : am I trying to make this machine  as technologically advanced as possible or am I trying to make the whole nostalgia experience feel as close as possible to the original feeling of the good old days. I think with me it is the latter. So I am not sure if I want to add a bunch of new commands, have to learn non-Speccy syntaxes etc, and access hardware that didn't even exist at the time the Speccy did. That's why I wouldn't be interested in a high-res/attribute-clash free graphics card for the spectrum but I am interested in the Timex's high res modes. I mean, if you add an IDE interface, 512K of RAM, external sound card, CD-ROM, HDD, Compact_Flash, etc to a ZX Spectrum, you end up with a machine that is 25% ZX Spectrum and 75% PC components.. right ? So is that really
 too different than running a good emulator on a PC?  If your Spectrum could run Windows, would it still be a Spectrum? If your PC can run a Spectrum emulator with minimal sotware underneath it, for instance booting up from a live-DVD that runs RealSpectrum and contains 1000s of software, is it still  a PC?

So if (for me) the idea is to re-live those good-old-Speccy days, it should be like it was in the old days. An RGB monitor instead of a TV is OK. Nice amplified speakers are too. And I would of course use a joystick interface and other original spectrum equipment like my IF/1, Multiface1, etc. 

Now, during the days of the Speccy, and since I was a little kid, all excited about his new toy and the games, the one thing that really bothered me was the long wait times for games loading. Was it just me ? And is it just me these days it seems it takes a lot less for the same games to load from the very same cassettes!? I used to try speeding up the tape, with some but not a lot of success. At the time I had a Sony cassette-corder TCM-5 that had a speed setting. 

I thought about all this, and I decided not to buy the DivIDE interface, at least yet.  I probably will in the future because I just can but for now I decided to buy something else instead. Something that will give me a closer-to-the-original experience. A cheapo, first or second generation, monochorme screen iPOD with something like 3GB of memory.

Yes! Because I will use that instead of a tape player. There is a wonderful firmware upgrade for the iPods (all generations) that allows them to play .TZX files! Simply drag and drop the TZX files from my Spectrum archive DVD into the iPod. Hook it up to the Spectrum. Instead of cueing up the tape, I will select a speccy game using the ipod's controls.. then...

LOAD ""

Press PLAY on iPod...

Watch the lovely yellow and blue stripes, listen to the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep blip... beeeeeeeeep brizsxhzshsxhzhsxzhshxzhsxhzshxzhsxzszsxt.

Just like in the old days :)



Richard Atkinson <[email]> wrote:                                   
Hi Fred,

 On 1/24/07, [email] <  [email]> wrote:  

Since your primary interest is based on the sound, it is worth mentioning that
most Spectrum 128K AY music is driven by interrupt routines which run at ~50Hz  
on that machine. The TS2068 has ~60Hz interrupts and would require patches to
correct the rate of music playback.  
 Sound was my primary interest looking back, but video would be my primary interest looking forward. An interesting question would be, which games can be patched to use the extended colour attributes video mode?

 Sound playing at a different speed on NTSC machines versus PAL machines is something I'm familiar with from the 8 bit consoles, Commodore 64, Atari 800, etc. It would be quite interesting to hear those tunes played at the NTSC speed.  

 I think the "best" Spectrum type computer based on parts from the era for
software compatiblity is probably a TC2068 (with 50Hz interrupts) and the  
modifications for 128K RAM and Sinclair-compatible AY ports and the Spectrum SE
ROMs, though the lack of ability to lock out the extended RAM paging ports may
stop some older 48K software from working. Add a DivIDE interface for hard disk  
access and you have a machine people would have killed for in 1984 ;)  
 I agree about the TC2068 for this purpose, except for Spectrum SE ROMs. For maximum compatibility, I want to use ROMs which are as close as possible to the original Spectrum 128 ROMs. The Timex RAM paging at ports F4h and FFh may cause compatibility problems with both 48K software and 128K software. Part of the fun of using such a machine will be hunting out software which doesn't work (and maybe even patching it in those rare cases!)  

 These days it is hard to beat the reliability and flexibility of an emulated
environment IMHO, you get access to the software for all Sinclair-compatible  
machines as well as limitless storage at a price that is cheaper that getting
and modifying the vintage hardware itself.  
 Emulation and the internet are great for ensuring old software gets archived and distributed, but the best thing about it for me is when you use your PC's sound card to play a Spectrum tape file into the EAR port of a real Spectrum and the game loads up on the real machine! (Usually more reliably than it ever did coming from a cassette drive)  

 Richard








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17. Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions - John Oliger

doidy1 · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:39

When I bought my system he included a free refillable pencil with his 
name/address on it.  I actually kept is so here is his mailing 
address.  That is all I have:


The John Oliger Company
11601 Whidbey Dr.
Cumberland, IN
46229

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Is there a way to contact John Oliger? I did a search on google, but 
only found some links to documents mentioning him.
Does he have a website or email address?

Thanks
John


[email] wrote:
>
> John Oliger made a disk drive system for the TS2068. He is still in
> business as far as I know. At least he was about 7 years ago when I
> bought my system. And I think I was the first in that many years to
> buy one! He also had a serial port card for the system if I am not
> mistaken.
>
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> Subject:
> Re: [ts2068] Timex Sinclair 2068 Questions
> From:
> "Johnny Red (Timex)" <[email]>
> Date:
> Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:06:43 +0000
> To:
> [email]
>
> To:
> [email]
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:24 PM, Mark Martin wrote:
>
> > 1. Larken for sure. Not sure if there was one other.
> > Good luck finding it. I've seen maybe half a dozen in the last 8
> > years
> > on eBay..
>
> Timex of Portugal made the Timex FDD and the upgraded Timex FDD3000.
> Both were sold by Zebra Systems as Zebra FDD and Zebra FDD3000.
>
> > 2. Yes, you need the emulator cart or rom. You JUST missed 2 or 3
> > in a row on eBay.
>
> Timex of Portugal made a cartridge for the Timex Computer 2068. It
> doesn't fit in the TS2068 slot. In the US, people made cartridges
> with a Spectrum ROM.
>
> > 3. Not sure. timexsinclair.org?
>
> For Sinclair Spectrum software -> worldofspectrum.org
>
> > 4. Not sure. See above for Alvin Albrechts project, which is
> > supposed in include IDE...
> > http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga 
> <http://www.timexsinclair.org/code/index.html#fpga>
> > I don't know the status of the project. Been meaning to email him
> > myself.
>
> Jarek made a lot of projects for Timex computers
>
> > 5. Boxed and mint, I've seen north of $100. For a working non-
> > boxed on,
> > you could probably find for $50 give or take $20. All on eBay. I
> > see average
> > proably 1 or 2/month.
> >
> > 6. Yes. A modem for sure, and there are details on how to convert
> > that to a RS232
> > device.
>
> Timex Sinclair 2050 Modem. Timex of Portugal made a RS232 interface
> for Timex Computer 2048 (not Timex Sinclair 2048), it works with
> Timex Computer 2068 with Spectrum emulator cartridge. Timex FDD and
> Timex FDD3000 have 2 RS232 connectors.
>
> Johnny Red, Portugal
> http://timex.comboios.info <http://timex.comboios.info>
>
> >
> > I'm sure others will follow up with more qualified responses :)
> >
> > On 1/22/07, johndraugr <[email] 
> <mailto:johndraugr%40soznet.net>> wrote:
> > Hello again Everyone. :)
> >
> > As I mentioned in my initial post to the list, I have some questions
> > on the 2068 system. I hope some of you can answer my questions and
> > won't mind doing so.
> >
> > 1. Did the 2068 ever have a disk drive for it and if so is it hard to
> > find one today?
> >
> > 2. I read that the 2068 could use most Spectrum software, but it
> > requires a emulator cartridge. Is this true and if so is it easy or
> > difficult to find one of these carts? If I find one how much do they
> > usually go for?
> >
> > 3. With the Commodore 64 community the site lemon64.com is kind of the
> > main C64 website and has a huge community. The site has lots of info
> > on the computer, the games, etc... that came out for the C64. Its like
> > a huge knowledge base for the C64 user. Is there a similar site for
> > the 2068?
> >
> > 4. Is there anyone in the 2068 community that builds modern adapters
> > or hardware for use with the 2068? For example in the Commodore
> > community there are plenty of recent hardware projects including the
> > IDE64 which is an IDE board that connects to the C64 cartridge port
> > and allows C64 users to use IDE hard disks, CD-Rom drives and CF cards
> > with their Commodore 64 systems. There is also a project to create an
> > efficient adapter that would allow you to hook up your C64 to a VGA
> > monitor with minimum or no loss in video quality. Are there 2068 users
> > who are doing projects for the 2068?
> >
> > 5. How much does a 2068 go for usually, and where are the best places
> > to get them? Also, a boxed/complete one?
> >
> > 6. Was there a modem for the system or RS232 device?
> >
> > Well, I guess thats all for now. Sorry for so many questions.
> >
> > Thanks
> > John S Sozio
> > Yonkers, NY
> > http://www.soznet.net/commodore <http://www.soznet.net/commodore>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------
> > Born to the false world, the wanderer,
> > Storyteller, The Pied Piper
> > On a quest for immortality
> > Gathering a troop to find the fantasy
> > -- Nightwish
>
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18. RE: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068

Luis Alberto D'Ardis · Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:51

ts 2068 of course, zx 128k can't manage same video modes.

regards.


>From: "M. Emrah Oral" <[email]>
>Reply-To: [email]
>To: [email]
>Subject: [ts2068] ZX Spectrum 128K vs TS2068
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:50:33 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>Which one do you think is better a TS2068 or a ZX SPectrum 128K if they 
>both had the same amount of RAM. For instance if the TS2068 had 128K RAM 
>too, would you buy that or a ZX 128K ?
>
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